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  •  2006 (7+ / 0-)

    Obama would be well served not to let Shinseki become his version of Donald Rumsfeld from the 2006 election cycle.

    Everyone knows he needs to go, and Obama wrapping his arms around him anyway is only going to hurt us in November.

    •  Obama was giving Shinseki a chance to resign (3+ / 0-)
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      But that slack should only be so long and Shinseki is very, very close to the end of it.

      The deal for any cabinet member is that you have no business staying on past the point at which you have become a liability to the president.  

      Shinseki, at this point, is a huge frickin' liability and he needs to resign this week or be fired on Monday morning next week.

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      by MJB on Thu May 29, 2014 at 08:54:21 AM PDT

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      •  I'd have... (0+ / 0-)

        a hard time respecting president that regarded his cabinet in such a political fashion.

        "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

        by JackND on Thu May 29, 2014 at 12:02:41 PM PDT

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        •  It's not a family (1+ / 0-)
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          It's a job, and Obama should cut him loose.

        •  I think you would have a harder time stomaching a (1+ / 0-)
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          Republican majority in the Senate come Election Day.  At least I would.

          We can all agree that there is a big problem at the VA.  Because of that problem, Democrats who are seen as supporting Shinseki have potential problem as well.  

          In a perfect world, a cabinent member's job wouldn't be political, it would be about competence and effectiveness.  But this isn't a perfect world, and Shinseki's appearance of ineffectiveness does have political reprecussions.

          Shinkseki is a good man.  He'll do what's right and resign before the President is forced to ask for his resignation.

          Dont Mourn, Organize !#konisurrender

          by cks175 on Thu May 29, 2014 at 03:07:33 PM PDT

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    •  Shinseki is not the problem (24+ / 0-)

      It's a decade of wars with insufficient funding for Veterans' healthcare, courtesy of Republicans.

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      by MartyM on Thu May 29, 2014 at 09:01:07 AM PDT

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      •  Shinseki is also a problem (5+ / 0-)

        It is not as if he didn't know the condition of the VA when he took over, and how many years have gone by?  It isn't as if he didn't know the numbers and the influx years ago as well.  He has known all of these things.

        Just because he may have known how many boots on the ground it takes to invade Iraq successfully, doesn't mean he is good at anything else.

        He is also the reason why your soldiers for a few years had to wear black wool berets.  They stink and can't hold shape when they get wet in the rain, they eat up time and money to convert to, they are very inefficient pretentious wear but it was what General Shinseki wanted his forces to look like.  How pretentious

        It seems obvious to me that Eric Shinseki is comfortable propping up a bureaucracy with built in inefficiencies.  Like many commanders, it is inevitable and acceptable that some of the grunts die and you don't have many personal feelings about that.  It doesn't disturb your sleep.

      •  Only partly true. (4+ / 0-)

        Shinseki is a good man, but my understanding is that he has large chunks of his management structure that are faking wait time stats in order to maintain their performance bonuses, rather than screaming bloody murder about ballooning wait times to make the problem visible, for the good of veterans, but thereby losing their performance bonuses.

        I don't think Shinseki is directly involved in the fraud in any way. But once he knew about it, he needed to take action immediately. He didn't, so he is not the person to clean up the mess, and he needs to resign (and loudly call for the cleanup in his resignation announcment).

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      •  We (Democrats) run 2/3 of the federal govt... (4+ / 0-)
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        ...yet we blame Republicans for insufficient funding for Veterans' healthcare.

        Yeah, that'll play out really well...especially with elderly midterm election voters...you know, the ones who actually show up and vote in elections without Obama on the ballot?

        Pointing the finger won't solve this growing scandal (and that's what it is...accept it or don't). Someone has to be held accountable...and Shinseki runs the show in that department. If he stays, he'll anchor us through 2014 and beyond.

        Adequate health care should be a LEGAL RIGHT in the U.S without begging or bankruptcy. Until it is, we should not dare call our society civilized.

        by Love Me Slender on Thu May 29, 2014 at 10:14:38 AM PDT

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        •  Fire him & Cheney at the same time. (0+ / 0-)

          It was Cheney who maimed those men & women, and his party that starved the government of the funds needed to make things run properly.

          Yes, heads must roll - current heads - that's politics.  But in doing so Obama should also find a way to put the blame where it belongs, on the cruel, irresponsible Republican Party of Kristol, Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, Boehner, Cantor, Norquist, etc.

           

          •  That could backfire... (0+ / 0-)

            Beltway CW is that the public is losing confidence in the President's ability as a manager/executive.  If he fires/accepts Shinseki's resignation, and at the same time tries to blame the Republicans for it, that will get spun as the President saying "not my fault".

            Better to let Shinseki fall on his sword, and Obama be seen as the "now we're going to roll up our sleeves and fix this problem" guy.  

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            by cks175 on Thu May 29, 2014 at 03:01:19 PM PDT

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      •  Not true (1+ / 0-)
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        The problem is corruption within the VA and illegal activities like secret waiting lists and very poor oversight and management.

        All the money in the world for the VA wouldn't have stopped this.  We have to get out of the business of finding excuses for the wrong-doings that are going on in our government.  

    •  Bush never acknowledged Rummy's failures (8+ / 0-)

      Everyone working for Dubya kept their jobs because he was completely incapable of comprehending the level of their (and his own) failure.

      Obama has clearly acknowledged the failure here.

      Firing Shinseki is a fine idea if you want retribution. But it might well be the worst possible approach to actually solving the problems at the VA.

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