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  •  Norbert Elias had a theory about how (4+ / 0-)

    less violence in a society is accompanied by increased fantasies about violence in the culture.

    I have never found that convincing.  Nor do I find convincing the arguments that overall our culture is less violent than ever before.

    Look at how we are devastating the planet on which we live.  
    Look at how we are driving massive amounts of living species to extinction.
    Look at the "organized" violence and destructive capacity of our military.
    Look at the militarization of our police, so that SWAT teams are used at the blink of an eye.
    Look at how school children are handcuffed and carted off to prison for minor infractions of school discipline codes.
    Look at the rate of incarceration in our society and at what happens inside those prisons.
    Look at domestic violence, an epidemic world wide.

    ALL of this is violence.

    •  It definitely is (4+ / 0-)

      And, for the most part, it's improving, with the exception of pollution and resource extraction, which is hard to link to violence in media.

      Our military is not unusually aggressive in 2014, compared to its long history.  The 19th century saw repeated massacres by the US armed forces.   The police that attacked nonviolent protesters during the civil rights movement and hunted escaped slaves never saw "Game of Thrones."  

      Students were once regularly beaten or whipped by their teachers.  The school to prison pipeline is a very serious problem, but it's not a new problem.  

      Domestic violence used to be legal, and publicly encouraged.  

      We are actually making progress on many of these fronts.  

    •  What???? You didn't just say that, did you? (1+ / 0-)
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      Nor do I find convincing the arguments that overall our culture is less violent than ever before.
      Oh, I see, America today is worse that Jim crow era, or even slavery, amiright?

      No, we're more violent today, because the news media loves getting off these "mass" shottings, than say the 80s while kids were always being gunned down in the ghetto, the crack epidemic and such, but even worse than people gathering around their local square to watch hanging for a poor black kid stealing an apple.

      Are you white? Because you sure seem to be doing a hell of a job whaitewashing what you call history, was the past beter that today for society?

      Maybe, if you are a white rich male, blacks weren't considered anything but property backthen, and you think we're more violent NOW?!?!

      You and G2Geek have both very ironic names because you know nothing about history as you'd like to think you do, and G2Geek  resembles nothing like a geek, a geek amongst many things would be in favor in preserving and protecting the 1st amendment, amongst other reasons.

      •  stereotype much? (0+ / 0-)

        "...a geek amongst many things would be in favor in preserving and protecting the 1st amendment."  Sorry to disappoint you, but I think for myself.

        As for ignorance of Jim Crow:  See also my comments in the diary about the hanging-effigy of President Obama yesterday.  Or believe whatever you like.

        We got the future back. Uh-oh.

        by G2geek on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 03:12:37 PM PDT

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        •  Sorry, I can out-geek you any day of the week (1+ / 0-)
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          And what exactly gives you the right to use the descriptor "geek", maybe you are a sports geek? Because You certainly are not into the things me or most geeks are into, and certain wouldn't be hanging at Comic-con, which is coming up.

          Words mean something, and you can't use a word even about yourself, if its not accurate.

          As for ignorance of Jim Crow:  See also my comments in the diary about the hanging-effigy of President Obama yesterday.  Or believe whatever you like.
          And an event that happened recently has to do with my calling out the logic fail in your points how?
        •  You're Losing Me Here (2+ / 0-)
          "...a geek amongst many things would be in favor in preserving and protecting the 1st amendment."  Sorry to disappoint you, but I think for myself.
          "I don't accept your premise that we must defend the freedom to think for yourself because I think for myself."

          My brain hurts.

          As for ignorance of Jim Crow:  See also my comments in the diary about the hanging-effigy of President Obama yesterday.
          OK, so you're not ignorant of Jim Crow. Are you standing behind the claim that modern society is "more violent" than those days? If so, how do you square that circle?

          On the Internet, nobody knows if you're a dog... but everybody knows if you're a jackass.

          by stevemb on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 07:07:49 PM PDT

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          •  Good catch. I read that sentence too fast. (2+ / 0-)
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            Got too caught up on thinking what on earth he even meant by "geek", that it didn't dawn on me that that is a self contradictory statement, the 1st amendment is the very core essence that allows you to think for yourself as opposed to the government thinking for you like state-run media like Russia, I'm not really sure G2Geeek fully understands what the 1st amendment and freedom of expression is, I'm not sure he understands he's exercising the 1st amendment right now why telling us how much he hates it.

            My mind explode by all the contradictions!!!!

            Does not compute! Does not compute!

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