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  •  Oppression hurts the oppressors (2+ / 0-)
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    almost as much as it hurts the oppressed, This is certainly the case with most torturers, for example.  Only psychopaths and sociopaths avoid the guilt that people who oppress others feel.  And most people who engage in oppression aren't true psychopaths or sociopaths.  In many cases, they aren't engaging in the oppression voluntarily themselves.

    •  The idea of karma (1+ / 0-)
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      is that your actions stick to your soul.  Bad ones weigh your soul down and bring automatic punishments - you don't advance spiritually, and you have to keep trying until you get it (reincarnation is "Try harder," more or less).

      •  I'm an atheist so I don't (1+ / 0-)
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        believe in karma.  (No insult intended to anyone who does.)  I'm just talking about the psychological costs of doing or even witnessing these horrendous things for anyone with any sense of personal morality or ethics.    Imagine becoming a nun because you had a religious vocation and wanted to be spiritual and do good works and finding yourself participating in something like this.  The children weren't the only tortured "souls" in this scenario.

        •  The nuns would have looked on the unwed (1+ / 0-)
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          mothers as sinners. Possibly unredeemable ones. The children were the "wages of sin". They WERE unredeemable.

          This is the moral higher ground they stood on. I doubt very much that they felt any remorse for their treatment of the children.

          The children were given no official burial as Christians were accorded.

          They were simply discarded in the shit.

          A fo ben, bid bont. - Welsh proverb. ( translation: If you want to be a leader, be a bridge.)

          by Gwennedd on Wed Jun 04, 2014 at 01:12:03 PM PDT

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          •  That, I'm sure, was the official (1+ / 0-)
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            position.  But, I'm talking about individual consciences.  It's easy to condemn someone in theory, but, faced with an actual, living breathing child (and, let's face it, even the mothers were, for the most part, children themselves), it's tougher to believe in your own righteousness.  And, I have no doubt this cruelty was carried out, I'm just saying that the people doing it weren't automatons, and they no doubt paid a price, too.  Long term, oppression benefits no one, even The Powers That Be.  (Look at the rise of the rise of atheism and the non-religious since WWII.)  Unfortunately, no one thinks long-term.

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