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  •  Where has everyone been the last five plus years. (1+ / 0-)
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    Robert Naiman

    Now because of a prisoner that they could have got out five years ago, everybody is antiwar.  Yay.
    It doesn't work when it's not real.

    "Fragmented and confused, we have no plan to combat any of this, but are looking to be saved by the very architects of our ruination."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Thu Jun 05, 2014 at 03:02:35 PM PDT

    •  I agree with you (1+ / 0-)
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      This could have happened long ago, and it should have.

      But the blowback now is showing why it didn't happen before.

      •  Truthfully, I'm glad the kid is coming home. (1+ / 0-)
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        truong son traveler

        But I'm not happy about how this is being painted, with Obama making people "proud", when he's the one who advanced this war in the first place. He's the one who assassinates people with drones.  He started a proxy war in Libya, Syria, and Ukraine, or at least it happened on his watch.  And now people want to give him credit for saving this kid by "diplomacy" and paving a way to close GB and end the Afghan war.  
        I'm not buying that.  I'm looking at it from a different angle than the right/left one being forced on his by our political theatrical company.  I'm wondering what they're really up to because everything they do is to advance the imperial agenda. People get sidetracked and think everything is going to be OK.  It's not.

        "Fragmented and confused, we have no plan to combat any of this, but are looking to be saved by the very architects of our ruination."

        by BigAlinWashSt on Thu Jun 05, 2014 at 03:15:30 PM PDT

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        •  re: truthfully (0+ / 0-)

          I empathize with your frustration, but I don't think it's accurate or helpful to see Obama as all one thing or all the other, nor the Empire as monolithic. I don't think that helps understand what's going on or helps people to fruitfully intervene. You can always say that whatever happens is in the interests of the Empire. They start a war, they end a war, it's all in the interests of the Empire. And, in some sense, that's true.

          But some things are more in the interests of a kill-more-people version of the Empire, and some things are more in the interests of a kill-fewer-people version of the Empire, and the way that members of the public who want to kill fewer people have influence is that they ally with the faction that wants to kill fewer people at a particular juncture, regardless of the motivations of the faction that wants to kill fewer people.

          Right now Obama is trying to end the war, and some Republicans are trying to keep it going, and so I don't have a shred of qualm (is that legal English?) against allying with Obama against the Republicans on this, even as I struggle against Obama on other fronts (e.g. the drone strike policy.)

          And, in general, I think the dynamics here show why even in struggling against Obama on the things where he is clearly bad, like the drone strike policy, one has to take these dynamics into account - a big part of why he is bad on the drone strike policy is the climate that he is facing that is evidenced in the warmonger media storm against the deal to rescue Bergdahl. This is submerged when we say that "Obama is doing the drone strikes." Of course he is doing the drone strikes, he is responsible for that. But there is a tremendous pushback on efforts to reform the drone strike policy coming from the same people who are now pushing back against the Bergdahl deal. And reforming the drone strike policy requires defeating these forces, not just trashing Obama.

          I'm not saying that one should hold back on criticism of Obama on that front; only that portraying the situation as all about Obama being bad is not going to help us win in terms of killing fewer people.

          Everything is not going to be ok. But this deal is definitely in the direction of making things better. I have been advocating for this for a long time; it's not like I'm in favor of this because Obama is doing it; I was in favor of it for a long time before Obama did it. Consistency requires that I strongly defend Obama when he gets major flak for doing the thing that I have long called on him to do.

           

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