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  •  What about women gun-nuts? (12+ / 0-)

    IS it about penis envy?

    Can we grow up, beyond the stale Freudianisms, and childish attacks upon malesness, while not daring to attack women gun-nuts for having penis envy?

    This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

    by JJustin on Thu Jun 05, 2014 at 03:13:02 PM PDT

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    •  Didn't you know? EVERYTHING is about the penis. (12+ / 0-)

      /snark

      SPES MEA IN DEO EST.

      by commonmass on Thu Jun 05, 2014 at 03:26:26 PM PDT

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    •  And you don't have to be Sophocles or (13+ / 0-)

      Euripides to know that anything that is not about the penis is about the Testi-clees. /snark

      SPES MEA IN DEO EST.

      by commonmass on Thu Jun 05, 2014 at 03:29:08 PM PDT

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    •  Those women are taught to worship (8+ / 0-)

      the penis, so of course it is about it to them.

      "Just when you think you've lost everything, you find out you can lose a little more." Bob Dylan

      by weezilgirl on Thu Jun 05, 2014 at 03:30:24 PM PDT

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    •  They probably do have penis envy (1+ / 0-)
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      Many of them are Tom Boyish!

      •  Just so you know (12+ / 0-)

        being a tomboy actually has nothing to do with penis envy.

        It has everything to do with choosing to be your own person, regardless of the rules 'society' has established for you.  Some girls just like to do things that are not 'traditionally' considered female/feminine activities.

        I have never heard of a boy who likes art, design, cooking, knitting or sewing being accused of having vagina envy.  

        Why not?

        •  tomboys (5+ / 0-)
          Just so you know being a tomboy actually has nothing to do with penis envy.

          It has everything to do with choosing to be your own person, regardless of the rules 'society' has established for you.  Some girls just like to do things that are not 'traditionally' considered female/feminine activities.

          I have never heard of a boy who likes art, design, cooking, knitting or sewing being accused of having vagina envy.  

          Why not?

          Altogether totally spot-on true, of course.

          But I'm pretty sure the message this was a reply to was snark.

          :-)

          "It's high time (and then some) that we put an end to the exceptionalistic nonsense floating around in our culture and face the fact that either the economy works for all, or it doesn't work AT all." -- Sean McCullough (DailyKos user thanatokephaloides)

          by thanatokephaloides on Thu Jun 05, 2014 at 04:53:12 PM PDT

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          •  It is entirely (5+ / 0-)

            possible that I have become overly sensitive.

            I don't mind calling the women gun nuts, crazy, irresponsible, etc.  That is entirely appropriate.

            I have to admit, accusing them of penis envy irritates me.  Almost as if the women can't be crazy in their own right - it has to be penis envy.  

            I haven't quite figure out yet, why that annoys me.  I have to ponder on it some more.

            But the Tomboy comment just put it over the top for me.  

            With this, and the Seattle Pacific University shooting, I may be too numb and angry to recognize snark.

            Thanks

            •  It should irritate you. Exactly as every evil (1+ / 0-)
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              being blamed on the penis should irritate all males who don't engage in the behaviors that are being characterized as evil.

              Apparently the attacks on, ridicule and denigrations of maleness is so constant that most are numb to the affects on it.

              Those attacks, etc., are insults.  And are intended as insults.  Would females tolerate as constant a barrage of equivalent insults?

              This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

              by JJustin on Thu Jun 05, 2014 at 08:12:50 PM PDT

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              •  Females have been forced to tolerate (6+ / 0-)

                "as constant a barrage of equivalent insults" and much worse for thousands of years.

                I think I can handle the almost non-existent "barrage" of anti-male insults I get just fine.  If you're actually getting a "constant barrage" maybe you should think about a better deodorant and aftershave.  And not acting like an asshole - I've heard that helps a bunch too.

                •  Go ahaed: avoid the issue. (0+ / 0-)

                  The equivalent insult would be attacks on female sexuality.

                  I don't see any, let alone a constant barrage, of blaming whatever the societal evil committed by women -- oh, right, all evil is committed by males -- never mind.

                  Stop the horseshit the women are only and always victims.

                  The constant coupling of evil and penis is an insult.

                  Personal attack noted -- which as I understand it is a violation of DailyKos Terms of Service --

                  If you're actually getting a "constant barrage" maybe you should think about a better deodorant and aftershave.  And not acting like an asshole - I've heard that helps a bunch too.
                  I have a split second: tell us how much you know about me that is factual.  Or deal with the overtly obvious constant barrage honestly.

                  This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

                  by JJustin on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 04:31:21 AM PDT

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                •  This woman would like to personally thank you f... (0+ / 0-)

                  This woman would like to personally thank you for your sane and reasonable answer, and I'm sorry guys like you get caught in the kind of suspicion and dislike caused by idiots like the California shooter. We need more of you.

                  •  Most of the attacks on penises/maleness (0+ / 0-)

                    are by women.

                    And, "curiously," none of them are attacking the female gun-nuts for being gun-nuts.  In fact, they make no mention of that "gender" of gun-nut.

                    So the problem is male gun-nuts; women gun-nuts aren't a problem, else they'd be attacked for suffering penis envy.

                    "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." -- Sigmund Freud.

                    This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

                    by JJustin on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:33:38 PM PDT

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              •  If I recall (4+ / 0-)

                (and I read a lot of the twitter feed, and many, many of the diaries here), no evils were blamed on the penis.

                And I do not understand what you mean by 'engage in the behaviors that are characterized as evil'.

                I hope to heaven that you are not referring to the rape, molestation, harassment and objectification of girls and women as a behavior 'characterized as evil'.  

                My interpretation of those three words (characterized as evil) means that you do not really think those acts are evil, there are just some people calling them evil.  

                If that is the case, then you may be part of the problem.

                It has been stated that not all men participate in those behaviors (this has been stated over and over and over again).  To the point where it almost seems like a woman has to say 'I was raped, but not all men did it'.

                What the message as of late has been, that women are really tired of being treated this way, and yes, even though not all men are guilty of these behaviors, all women experience the behavior - or lives her life so that she will not become a victim of these acts.

                Women felt the need to let me know that even though all men do not behave that way - they themselves have experienced is, and some multiple times on multiple levels.

                I do not recall seeing maleness ridiculed and denigrated.

                Apparently the attacks on, ridicule and denigrations of maleness is so constant that most are numb to the affects on it.
                Unless you are talking about in this thread where people are saying that the men who are out in public with large weapons visible to impress, scare or intimidate people are doing it to augment their manhood.

                If that is what you are referring to, that may be a fair interpretation.  I did not take it as ridicule and denigration of maleness.  I took it as ridicule and denigration of an action that puts the public at large for no good reason other than to show off, scare or intimidate people with their big gun.

                It may not be fair to say they are doing this to prove their manhood.  It is possible that they are doing it because they only think about themselves, they do not care the impact or harm they are doing to those around them.  That should be ridiculed and denigrated.

                When carrying your weapon around in public is more important to you than the risk you have introduced to society, then you deserve to be mocked and denigrated for your selfishness.  We cannot put these people in jail so we mock them, so the 'status' they receive from the behavior is so uncomfortable that they stop doing it.

                Or the law makers see the inherent risk in allowing this behavior and change the laws so the people in the community can feel safe going to a store or a restaurant again.

                •  There is CONSTANT identification of gun-nuts with (0+ / 0-)

                  speculations about penis size.

                  In view of the fact that only males have penises, that is an attack on maleness -- or will those who avoid that fact tell us how they know the actual penis sizes of males they've never met, or seen undressed?

                  How about just stopping the "I'm better than you" nastiness?

                  Want a "kinder, gentler" verbal environment?  Then start with yourself.

                  This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

                  by JJustin on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 04:33:40 AM PDT

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                  •  I think I now (1+ / 0-)
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                    understand the point you are trying to make.

                  •  And? I don't care if they do that (1+ / 0-)
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                    You don't actually care whether or not someone misrepresents the size of your penis, do you?  

                    For some reason, I don't feel any sort of desire to own a gun. I don't have any desire to carry or shoot a gun.

                    Streichholzschächtelchen

                    by otto on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 07:32:36 AM PDT

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                    •  I care whether those who purport to know as a (0+ / 0-)

                      fact that the penises they are denigrating as to size have ever been seen by those making the assertion.

                      Does their only-purported evidence support their hypothetical?  If not -- well, we known that we caon't know -- then drop it as proof of something.

                      Perhaps it has less to do with those at whom it is slung than with those who project it.  Certainly they intend it as ridicule, pejorative, denigrating, because they understand it as being that.

                      This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

                      by JJustin on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 05:54:33 PM PDT

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                  •  Non-sequitor (2+ / 0-)
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                    Speculation about whether anyone is "compensating" for anything doesn't necessarily mean it's an attack on maleness. Unless the penis perfectly encapsulates all things male. Penis=/=maleness, therefore this isn't an attack on maleness. Really, it's not even an attack on penises. It's not even an attack. It's someone voicing a hypothesis shared by others that there may be some link between the desire to carry weapons and feelings of inadequacy of some kind.

                    It's a hypothesis that may very well turn out to be true, though I sincerely doubt that it is true for every single one of the members of Open Carry Texas, if for no other reason than finding a 100% positive rate for any hypothesis among a selected sample is in general incredibly unlikely.

                    •  The penis is the symbol for the male. Attacking (0+ / 0-)

                      the symbol of maleness doesn't leave openings for anything positive.  It also portrays the penis as inherently dangerous -- even deadly.

                      At the same time, we see zero attacks on female-gun nuts, or trumped-up hypotheses for why they are for open carry of guns/penises -- even though there are female gun-nuts, including the two in the Target photo.

                      Perhaps we are to assume that female gun-nuts are empty of cognition, so can't possibly have dangerous fantasies.

                      (Where did I read about the murder-suicide -- in a Kroger's parking lot a woman murdered her husband, then apparently killed herself.  No doubt yet another instance of male testosterone-fueled malevolence expressed as violence.)

                      This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

                      by JJustin on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:01:28 PM PDT

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              •  Keep it simple (0+ / 0-)

                I try to just call this gun behavior stupid and reckless and irresponsible.  I leave the media, and the pundits, and those in the field of psychology, and the lawmakers to ponder and argue and try to justify it.

                •  Thank you. It is a phenomenon happening in (0+ / 0-)

                  public -- and it is intended to have a public impact.

                  It is about the standing of these people in, or in relation to, that they see as a world that excludes them.

                  It's about social power, and (perceived) loss of that.

                  This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

                  by JJustin on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:36:47 PM PDT

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            •  de nada, amiga mi. (2+ / 0-)
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              With this, and the Seattle Pacific University shooting, I may be too numb and angry to recognize snark.

              Thanks

              You are welcome; 'tis nothing (de nada).

              And you're right: Since we can do little else, we expose these doltarians to ridicule, because they are being ridiculous!

              As for the penis being labeled as evil, I can count on the fingers of my own penis exactly how often I've ever seen that reference on Daily Kos.

              It's in this very diary.

              I posted it.

              It's a quote from a movie widely regarded as the worst science fiction film ever made, and virtually universally agreed to be the worst film of any kind whatsoever that Sean Connery ever made.

              And yes, my remark was snark.

              (As, almost certainly, was Zardoz itself!)

              ;-)

              "It's high time (and then some) that we put an end to the exceptionalistic nonsense floating around in our culture and face the fact that either the economy works for all, or it doesn't work AT all." -- Sean McCullough (DailyKos user thanatokephaloides)

              by thanatokephaloides on Thu Jun 05, 2014 at 09:42:22 PM PDT

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              •  The view of gun-nuts is negative. And that view (0+ / 0-)

                expressed as being result of maleness, and attacks on their penis sezes.

                It is wholesale and retail riducule without a shred of factual basis.  

                It is petty and childish.

                This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

                by JJustin on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 04:35:28 AM PDT

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            •  it's not penis envy... these women are (1+ / 0-)
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              gun nuts because their guys are inadequate ....in many departments and areas ..

              and these women have both into the size matters and if your guy is the wrong size, just check into your local gun shop and get the biggest and baddest ...

              Give your heart a real workout! Love your enemies!

              by moonbatlulu on Thu Jun 05, 2014 at 09:48:22 PM PDT

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              •  And you are an expert on the size of the penises (0+ / 0-)

                of gun-nuts you've never met or seen undressed?

                I know all the irratioal tripe you are parading: it is constant, and that is all it is.  The difference is that you better illustrate the irrationality of the nonesne it is.

                Ask yourself: does ridiculing these people help the situation?  Or does it instead potentially produce self-fulfilling prophecies?

                1.  Modern psychology has moved on from Freud.

                2.  The Internet psychodiagnoses of people one has never met is dumbass.  Stupid.  BIGOTRY.

                 

                This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

                by JJustin on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 04:39:18 AM PDT

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                •  I know because the women have told me... (1+ / 0-)
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                  they have stated so in very clear language ...

                  Give your heart a real workout! Love your enemies!

                  by moonbatlulu on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 11:16:05 AM PDT

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                  •  How is ridiculing others in order to feel better (0+ / 0-)

                    about oneself helping anything -- other than your ego?

                    What happens when one pushes groups of people who feel they are living with their backs to the wall -- and they make overt that guns are central to their identities?

                    Does it cause them to think?

                    I am attacking the ridicule and exposing it for what it is.  If those who engage in the ridicule feel ridiculed -- then perhaps they should check out to what they have their feelings attached.

                    What are their intents?

                    This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

                    by JJustin on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:06:28 PM PDT

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                •  Yes, ask yourself.... (2+ / 0-)
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                  "Does ridiculing these people help the situation?"

                  Ridiculing others for ridiculing others?

                  Really?  

                  •  You aren't looking at what you're doing. Instead (0+ / 0-)

                    you are treating it as a joke.

                    I asked a serious question.  Ask it of yourself.

                    This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

                    by JJustin on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:03:07 PM PDT

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        •  I'll testify to womb envy. And I'm male. (2+ / 0-)
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          Women give birth to the future.

          Men can only bystand and watch.

          This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

          by JJustin on Thu Jun 05, 2014 at 08:07:32 PM PDT

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    •  Vagina Dentata? (4+ / 0-)
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      No, we can't grow up.  I insist.

      Streichholzschächtelchen

      by otto on Thu Jun 05, 2014 at 03:45:14 PM PDT

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    •  If the penis fits... (1+ / 0-)
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      In general, I'd agree with you about oversimplifying, stereotyping, etc.

      In this case, looking at photos of these yokels exercising their right to strut around looking ridiculously inept in their handling of dangerous weapons and a bit too cocky for the comfort of rational people, I'd have to say that commonmass's observation seems very apt.

      Nothing is so firmly believed as what is least known. - Michel de Montaigne

      by penelope pnortney on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 12:51:29 AM PDT

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      •  None of the jackasses engaging in the Internet (0+ / 0-)

        "psychodiagnoses" of people they've never met have a clue as to what they are doing, let alone the (lack of) ethics of it.  

        It's stunning how regularly sheer bigotry is palmed off -- and accepted -- as "reason" -- simply because dressed up in unsubstantiated clap-trap, and aimed at an object or group against which there is a shared and agreed contempt.

        Nor do such jackasses give the least thought to the impact -- the consequences -- the "waves they make" -- of their expressions of that which is nothing more than that:

        bigotry.

        Want these people to stop being -- and more important, doing -- what "you" believe they are, and don't want them doing?  Then stop pushing them further into what "you" claim you don't want them being and doing.

        This says it:

        Nothing is so firmly believed as what is least known. - Michel de Montaigne

        "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." -- Freud.

        What, ultimately, is the difference in substance and degree of one mindlessness -- that of gun-nuts -- and another -- that of the glib who believe they can "psychodiagnose" others because they can find a definition or two on the Internet?

        Look at the pilings-on defensiveness in reaction -- not response -- to my calling out the pseudo-sophisticated name-calling, behind which is raw malice.

        There is much more to legitimate psychodiagnosis than that I am pin-pointing and to which objecting: it is nothing more than pseudo-sophisticated name-calling.

        I don't know which "commonmass" comment is intended to be serious, so don't know to which you refer.  The fact is that the constant attacks on maleness -- the symbol for which is the penis -- is constant, is undeniable, is mindless, and is nasty.  It is destructive.  

        Denying it is obvious and constant -- are the deniers actually that blind to their own behaviors? -- and attempting to rationalize it does nothing legitimate to excuse it.

        This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

        by JJustin on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 05:09:14 AM PDT

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        •  I didn't "push" them into jackshit (2+ / 0-)

          They got there all on their own.  I understand the Open Carry statutes have been on the books for a long time, so what are these morons trying to prove exactly?

          The public square belongs to the fucking public, not just some small paranoid portion of it.  We have laws against nuisances like skateboarders terrorizing sidewalk pedestrians, we bust people who are drunk and disorderly or blast music from their car stereo or deafen everyone because they've removed their muffler.  Call me naive, but engaging in what can only be described as intimidating behavior in public is quite a huge notch above those other things.

          The people we're belittling have brought the scrutiny and condemnation and scorn on themselves.  If they can't take the heat, they should stay out of the damned kitchen.  It may not be my right to stop them, but it is completely my right to make fun of them and question the personal inadequacies that are obviously driving such ridiculous, unnecessary, in-your-face antics.  It's the equivalent of two gay people deliberately going to a fundamentalist church just to make out in the pew.   I'm a gun owner, I've been around gun owners all my life, and none of us have ever felt the need to "prove" ourselves or our right to bear arms in such a stupid and deliberately provocative way.

          So no, I won't be silenced.  My raw malice against these dangerously stupid people is a sign of sanity and, who knows, maybe having the size of their dicks questioned by the broader public would be just the thing to get them to re-think what they're doing.  Scorn is the only defense that responsible gun owners like me have against these cretins, who are proving our point about the need for saner gun laws better than we ever could.

          Nothing is so firmly believed as what is least known. - Michel de Montaigne

          by penelope pnortney on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 11:57:57 AM PDT

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          •  The attacks do not persuade -- they cause their (0+ / 0-)

            targets to turn a deaf ear.

            It perpetuates the very circumstance it claims to decry.

            This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

            by JJustin on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:09:46 PM PDT

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