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  •  It should irritate you. Exactly as every evil (1+ / 0-)
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    being blamed on the penis should irritate all males who don't engage in the behaviors that are being characterized as evil.

    Apparently the attacks on, ridicule and denigrations of maleness is so constant that most are numb to the affects on it.

    Those attacks, etc., are insults.  And are intended as insults.  Would females tolerate as constant a barrage of equivalent insults?

    This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

    by JJustin on Thu Jun 05, 2014 at 08:12:50 PM PDT

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    •  Females have been forced to tolerate (6+ / 0-)

      "as constant a barrage of equivalent insults" and much worse for thousands of years.

      I think I can handle the almost non-existent "barrage" of anti-male insults I get just fine.  If you're actually getting a "constant barrage" maybe you should think about a better deodorant and aftershave.  And not acting like an asshole - I've heard that helps a bunch too.

      •  Go ahaed: avoid the issue. (0+ / 0-)

        The equivalent insult would be attacks on female sexuality.

        I don't see any, let alone a constant barrage, of blaming whatever the societal evil committed by women -- oh, right, all evil is committed by males -- never mind.

        Stop the horseshit the women are only and always victims.

        The constant coupling of evil and penis is an insult.

        Personal attack noted -- which as I understand it is a violation of DailyKos Terms of Service --

        If you're actually getting a "constant barrage" maybe you should think about a better deodorant and aftershave.  And not acting like an asshole - I've heard that helps a bunch too.
        I have a split second: tell us how much you know about me that is factual.  Or deal with the overtly obvious constant barrage honestly.

        This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

        by JJustin on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 04:31:21 AM PDT

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      •  This woman would like to personally thank you f... (0+ / 0-)

        This woman would like to personally thank you for your sane and reasonable answer, and I'm sorry guys like you get caught in the kind of suspicion and dislike caused by idiots like the California shooter. We need more of you.

        •  Most of the attacks on penises/maleness (0+ / 0-)

          are by women.

          And, "curiously," none of them are attacking the female gun-nuts for being gun-nuts.  In fact, they make no mention of that "gender" of gun-nut.

          So the problem is male gun-nuts; women gun-nuts aren't a problem, else they'd be attacked for suffering penis envy.

          "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." -- Sigmund Freud.

          This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

          by JJustin on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:33:38 PM PDT

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    •  If I recall (4+ / 0-)

      (and I read a lot of the twitter feed, and many, many of the diaries here), no evils were blamed on the penis.

      And I do not understand what you mean by 'engage in the behaviors that are characterized as evil'.

      I hope to heaven that you are not referring to the rape, molestation, harassment and objectification of girls and women as a behavior 'characterized as evil'.  

      My interpretation of those three words (characterized as evil) means that you do not really think those acts are evil, there are just some people calling them evil.  

      If that is the case, then you may be part of the problem.

      It has been stated that not all men participate in those behaviors (this has been stated over and over and over again).  To the point where it almost seems like a woman has to say 'I was raped, but not all men did it'.

      What the message as of late has been, that women are really tired of being treated this way, and yes, even though not all men are guilty of these behaviors, all women experience the behavior - or lives her life so that she will not become a victim of these acts.

      Women felt the need to let me know that even though all men do not behave that way - they themselves have experienced is, and some multiple times on multiple levels.

      I do not recall seeing maleness ridiculed and denigrated.

      Apparently the attacks on, ridicule and denigrations of maleness is so constant that most are numb to the affects on it.
      Unless you are talking about in this thread where people are saying that the men who are out in public with large weapons visible to impress, scare or intimidate people are doing it to augment their manhood.

      If that is what you are referring to, that may be a fair interpretation.  I did not take it as ridicule and denigration of maleness.  I took it as ridicule and denigration of an action that puts the public at large for no good reason other than to show off, scare or intimidate people with their big gun.

      It may not be fair to say they are doing this to prove their manhood.  It is possible that they are doing it because they only think about themselves, they do not care the impact or harm they are doing to those around them.  That should be ridiculed and denigrated.

      When carrying your weapon around in public is more important to you than the risk you have introduced to society, then you deserve to be mocked and denigrated for your selfishness.  We cannot put these people in jail so we mock them, so the 'status' they receive from the behavior is so uncomfortable that they stop doing it.

      Or the law makers see the inherent risk in allowing this behavior and change the laws so the people in the community can feel safe going to a store or a restaurant again.

      •  There is CONSTANT identification of gun-nuts with (0+ / 0-)

        speculations about penis size.

        In view of the fact that only males have penises, that is an attack on maleness -- or will those who avoid that fact tell us how they know the actual penis sizes of males they've never met, or seen undressed?

        How about just stopping the "I'm better than you" nastiness?

        Want a "kinder, gentler" verbal environment?  Then start with yourself.

        This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

        by JJustin on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 04:33:40 AM PDT

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        •  I think I now (1+ / 0-)
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          understand the point you are trying to make.

        •  And? I don't care if they do that (1+ / 0-)
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          You don't actually care whether or not someone misrepresents the size of your penis, do you?  

          For some reason, I don't feel any sort of desire to own a gun. I don't have any desire to carry or shoot a gun.

          Streichholzschächtelchen

          by otto on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 07:32:36 AM PDT

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          •  I care whether those who purport to know as a (0+ / 0-)

            fact that the penises they are denigrating as to size have ever been seen by those making the assertion.

            Does their only-purported evidence support their hypothetical?  If not -- well, we known that we caon't know -- then drop it as proof of something.

            Perhaps it has less to do with those at whom it is slung than with those who project it.  Certainly they intend it as ridicule, pejorative, denigrating, because they understand it as being that.

            This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

            by JJustin on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 05:54:33 PM PDT

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        •  Non-sequitor (2+ / 0-)
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          Speculation about whether anyone is "compensating" for anything doesn't necessarily mean it's an attack on maleness. Unless the penis perfectly encapsulates all things male. Penis=/=maleness, therefore this isn't an attack on maleness. Really, it's not even an attack on penises. It's not even an attack. It's someone voicing a hypothesis shared by others that there may be some link between the desire to carry weapons and feelings of inadequacy of some kind.

          It's a hypothesis that may very well turn out to be true, though I sincerely doubt that it is true for every single one of the members of Open Carry Texas, if for no other reason than finding a 100% positive rate for any hypothesis among a selected sample is in general incredibly unlikely.

          •  The penis is the symbol for the male. Attacking (0+ / 0-)

            the symbol of maleness doesn't leave openings for anything positive.  It also portrays the penis as inherently dangerous -- even deadly.

            At the same time, we see zero attacks on female-gun nuts, or trumped-up hypotheses for why they are for open carry of guns/penises -- even though there are female gun-nuts, including the two in the Target photo.

            Perhaps we are to assume that female gun-nuts are empty of cognition, so can't possibly have dangerous fantasies.

            (Where did I read about the murder-suicide -- in a Kroger's parking lot a woman murdered her husband, then apparently killed herself.  No doubt yet another instance of male testosterone-fueled malevolence expressed as violence.)

            This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

            by JJustin on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:01:28 PM PDT

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    •  Keep it simple (0+ / 0-)

      I try to just call this gun behavior stupid and reckless and irresponsible.  I leave the media, and the pundits, and those in the field of psychology, and the lawmakers to ponder and argue and try to justify it.

      •  Thank you. It is a phenomenon happening in (0+ / 0-)

        public -- and it is intended to have a public impact.

        It is about the standing of these people in, or in relation to, that they see as a world that excludes them.

        It's about social power, and (perceived) loss of that.

        This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

        by JJustin on Sat Jun 07, 2014 at 06:36:47 PM PDT

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