Skip to main content

View Diary: Daily Kos Elections Morning Digest: Democrat squeaks into second place in California's 31st District (22 comments)

Comment Preferences

  •  Because it was set up that way in a previous (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    DtheO, hbk, Cordyc

    referendum, sponsored by the GOP, but passed by voters. The only way to get rid of it is to have another referendum passed that repeals it.

    Yes, DailyKos DOES have puzzles! Visit us here Saturday nights @ 5:00 PDT (easier puzzles) and Sunday nights @ 5:00 PDT (more challenging) for a group solving. Even if you just pop in and comment while watching the fun, everybody is welcome. uid:21352

    by pucklady on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 07:36:50 AM PDT

    [ Parent ]

    •  Referendum: a concept whose time has come... (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      pucklady, hbk, murphy

      ...and gone.

      I understand the history of referendum and recall, installed to remove the influence of robber barons a century ago, but they are now more abused than properly used. I propose the ultimate referendum: Resolved, that referendum and recall are abolished.

      "Life is uncertain, eat dessert first!" -- Tony's Donut Shop, Portland, ME

      by DtheO on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 07:49:30 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Agreed. (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        hbk, Cordyc

        The referendum has been taken over by corporate shills who can't find friends in the Senate or Assembly, so they put measures on the ballot and spend boatloads of money to fool the public into voting for it.

        One way to stop referendum abuse is to make it illegal for signature-getters to be paid. That would pretty much stop it. For issues that people are passionate about, they would happily volunteer to get signatures.

        Yes, DailyKos DOES have puzzles! Visit us here Saturday nights @ 5:00 PDT (easier puzzles) and Sunday nights @ 5:00 PDT (more challenging) for a group solving. Even if you just pop in and comment while watching the fun, everybody is welcome. uid:21352

        by pucklady on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 08:02:56 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  It's initiatives not referendums (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Odysseus

          And the only way to create a decent electoral system in CA is with the voters' initiative.

          There should be a voter initiative establishing majority vote elections with instant runoffs. A number of CA cities already have the..  Further, it would make sure this kind of thing never happens, nor could its equivalent happen in plurality elections (as in Maine).  It would also strengthen third parties and guarantee that Democrats address progressive issues.  It even makes Progressives credible opponents of corporatist Democrats.

          •  You are correct. (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Cordyc

            I get those two mixed up.

            I like the idea of instant runoff elections, but I still think that  primaries should select from the parties, not top two vote-getters.

            Yes, DailyKos DOES have puzzles! Visit us here Saturday nights @ 5:00 PDT (easier puzzles) and Sunday nights @ 5:00 PDT (more challenging) for a group solving. Even if you just pop in and comment while watching the fun, everybody is welcome. uid:21352

            by pucklady on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 09:01:42 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Yes (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              pucklady, Cordyc

              Primaries should stay party primaries and majority vote for the general.

              Due to LePage becoming governor from plurality rules Maine is the state where this could most easily pass today - and be cheaper to pull off - but the perpetual risk of Democratic districts sending right wingers to Congress makes CA an obvious second choice to start with.

              •  I have to think that the CA GOP is also having (0+ / 0-)

                some second thoughts about the Top 2 All In Primary system left to CA by Arnie and friends as a parting gift.  There are now many races were Dems will face another Dem in Nov so the GOP is completely shut out along with all the third party parties.

                Congressional elections have consequences!

                by Cordyc on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 11:24:03 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  all the more reason to push for a real change (0+ / 0-)

                  This increases the number of people who desire a new system and, given that the plurality system has been rejected, and that majority- election plus instant run-offs adopted in several CA cities, it increases the likelihood of such an initiative passing.

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site