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  •  I'm both a Christian and agnostic. (7+ / 0-)

    Unpacking that a bit. Christianity is faith-based. If faith is believing in something that lacks evidence, then I can't know for sure. Since I can't know, then I don't know. If I don't know, then I'm also agnostic. so, faith and agnosticism have sort of a yin yang relationship.

    With regard to atheism, I think that it takes as much faith to be an atheist as it does to be a Christian. Again, we can't know. Therefore, as far as I'm concerned, we're all agnostics, whether we realize it or not.

    Just thinkin' out loud.

    •  I was raised without any religion (3+ / 0-)
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      I was never told there was a god, or gods, or whatever. It doesn't take faith to be an atheist, all it takes is ignorance of the existence of religion or rejecting religion based on learning about the history and evolution of religion.

      I certainly think that atheism can be based on faith, but it very rarely is.

      No War but Class War

      by AoT on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 09:15:33 AM PDT

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      •  Right. (2+ / 0-)
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        This is a semantic/logic issue, but my understanding of the definition of atheism is that a conclusion has been reached that there is no God (or deity of any kind). Regardless of how one arrives at that conclusion, we can't know that a deity (or deities) doesn't exist. So atheism, by definition, also requires faith.

        •  I see it as a difference between belief (2+ / 0-)
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          and knowledge. I can believe something and not know it. For example, I believe that Russia purposely acted aggressively on the border of Ukraine so that they could later back off and seem reasonable. I don't know that this is true.

          In regards to atheism and agnosticism, I do not believe there is a god, which makes me an atheist, but I also think we can't know that there is or is not a god.

          I also believe that god lacks existential import.

          No War but Class War

          by AoT on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 09:45:37 AM PDT

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    •  Atheism is totally unrelated to the concept of (0+ / 0-)

      faith, therefore your statement is in error.  And what does this mean..we're all agnostics, whether we realize it or not.?"

      Are you saying that you can believe something and not be aware of it?  That's nonsense.

    •  I don't believe we can't know, (1+ / 0-)
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      therefore I'm not a strong agnostic. I sometimes call myself a meta-agnostic, because I don't know whether we can know or not.

      Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

      by AaronInSanDiego on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 05:06:52 PM PDT

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    •  It takes no more faith to be an atheist... (0+ / 0-)

      than it does not to believe in leprechauns.

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