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  •  Feinstein and Schumer I get because they are (13+ / 0-)

    consummate establishment stooges who will don kevlar and guard the oligarch's palaces personally if they have to.

    Whitehouse and Klobuchar, however, these are those mid-range Democrats people keep telling me are the good guys, the better Democrats. And once I have to say, "No. They aren't."

    What we are really down to is Warren, Sanders and Grayson.

    Which is why we are so freaking far away from solving our huge problems with electoral politics and representative government that there actually is no hope of it.

    The only reason to engage in electoral politics and representative government according to their rules is to slow the bleeding a bit. But it's like putting your fingers
    over a massive hole in your chest, only to have the blood spilling out between them. It's not if but when and the only honest answer is soon.

    I've never left a blank space on a ballot... but I will not vote for someone [who vows] to spy on me. I will not do it. - dclawyer06

    Trust, but verify. - Reagan
    Vote, but Occupy. - commonmass

    by Words In Action on Thu Jun 05, 2014 at 08:55:42 PM PDT

    •  We've been bleeding since Carter (12+ / 0-)
      "The only reason to engage in electoral politics and representative government according to their rules is to slow the bleeding a bit."
      In the scheme of things, the Overton Window has been pushed so far right since Ronald Reagan promised a new "Morning in America" that any idea that smacks of putting citizen's rights from the Bill of Rights ahead of "National Security" (the military-security-industrial complex +oil) -- of course excepting the current SCOTUS' radically revisionist reading of the 2nd Amendment -- is electoral anathema.

      Our credo, "More, and better Democrats", infers that, at some point, we're gonna have to take a page from our Teahadist opposition and primary some folks elected during the Dark Days, that haven't awakened to the opportunities of our national division of the house.

      I, personally, believe we're rapidly approaching the point where we can elect more "better Democrats" than they can elect Republicans.  But, only, if we're willing and able to draw a clear and memorable distinction.

      •  Non-voters represent 43% of the potential (7+ / 0-)

        electorate and lean heavily to the left according to Pew. I suggest justifiable apathy as the cause.

        Independents represent 40% of registered voters yet have almost no formal representation. Given these numbers it's absurd to think that our system even remotely represents the interests of the majority.

        Our elites appear to have achieved what the redcoats could not: taxation without representation as well as various other manifestations of tyranny.

         

        The frog jumped/ into the old pond/ plop! (Basho)

        by Wolf10 on Thu Jun 05, 2014 at 10:04:25 PM PDT

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        •  When only 38% vote in midterms, (2+ / 0-)
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          you know 62% don't believe in it.

          "If you got something really good, you don't have to force it on people, they will steal it."

          Why doesn't the Party establishment get this? It's obvious.

          They'd rather blame the voters and lose than give the voters an audacious helping of what they want and win.

          I've never left a blank space on a ballot... but I will not vote for someone [who vows] to spy on me. I will not do it. - dclawyer06

          Trust, but verify. - Reagan
          Vote, but Occupy. - commonmass

          by Words In Action on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 08:40:14 AM PDT

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          •  That's about 24% of all potential voters so it (1+ / 0-)
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            took only about 12% to win.

            Turnout in 2012 was 58% of registered vote representing 33% of all potential voters, so it only took 17% of all potential voters to win. You might want to check my figures, I'm a little groggy this morning.

            The frog jumped/ into the old pond/ plop! (Basho)

            by Wolf10 on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 09:54:04 AM PDT

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      •  I also don't follow nihilist defeatism. (0+ / 0-)

        ....  If I was in the Donner Party, I'da enthusiastically joined in on cutting steaks outta the shanks of my dead fellow wagon train comrades in order to live another day and move on off that death mountain.

        Fair warning.

        •  It ain't nihilist defeatism to acknowledge (1+ / 0-)
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          that electoral politics and representative government have been too far corrupted to address the huge problems we face, including the corruption of government, while agitating for and pursuing other strategies and tactics, such as mass protest and direct action.

          To the contrary, the defeatism is thinking other strategies and tactics can work even though they must, and self-destructively confining oneself to the more familiar electoral politics and representative government when the corruption has metastasized and is malignant.

          I've never left a blank space on a ballot... but I will not vote for someone [who vows] to spy on me. I will not do it. - dclawyer06

          Trust, but verify. - Reagan
          Vote, but Occupy. - commonmass

          by Words In Action on Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 08:37:17 AM PDT

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