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  •  just heard this on the news (7+ / 0-)

    enforcing the laws on trucker rest stops is impossible

    the pressure to get loads delivered is great and the economic need of the drivers pushes them to risk themselves and others by driving sleepy

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    by TrueBlueMajority on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 10:14:45 AM PDT

    •  It's not impossible, there's just no will to do it (6+ / 0-)

      It wouldn't even really be hard.

      Nearly all large companies have satellite tracking already.  

      They know their drivers are rolling dirty, and they pressure them to do it.  Then they throw up their hands when someone (most often the driver, but papers don't much care about that) gets killed and point to the handbook and say "But we said not to....".

      Uncle Sam knows these companies know what their drivers are doing.  Uncle Sam doesn't really fucking care all that much either.  

      1) Electronic logs linked to satellite tracking 2) Real punishment for everyone, from the top down who pressures drivers to violate HOS regs  3) Pay by the hour, and enforce minimum wage 4) adequate rest stops, with dickhead four-wheelers kept out of truck parking 5) diary-length explanation of shady "training companies" and how they operate.

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      by JesseCW on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 10:31:01 AM PDT

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      •  you're right--i keep forgetting about (3+ / 0-)
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        the easy availability of electronic tracking now

        Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
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        by TrueBlueMajority on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 10:59:26 AM PDT

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      •  In the EU.... (4+ / 0-)

        Tachographs have been mandatory since 1985. They, too, are now going digital but with the analog ones the first thing a cop would ask any driver (whatever the "official" reason they were talking to the driver for) was "Show me your disks" They'd be able to see exactly how long the driver spent in each of 4 states "Driving", "Other Work", "Available" or "Resting" along with a hard copy record of your speed and distance traveled over the last 24 hours. Any violation of the regs in there and you got a very nasty ticket. They could also do you for speeding based on tachograph records too, even if nobody saw you doing it.

        Of course these early devices were relatively easy to tamper with but that was also easy to detect visually. If the cop saw any signs of tampering the driver was going to the pokey and the truck & load were heading for impound. The only tampering method that wasn't easily detectable was called "Ghosting" where you filled out a disk for a fictitious co-driver, but if a cop saw those disks and the co-driver wasn't with you in the cab, the cops would be asking your company about that co-driver to make sure he existed and was supposed to be on that run with you that day.

        You also had to turn the disks in to the company at the end of every run and they had to verify that the mileage on the disks matched the odo on the truck and matched up reasonably well with your route. The company was in deep brown stuff if they saw any discrepancy and didn't turn you in, because those records WERE audited when the company renewed its license.

        It made it very hard to violate the regs and not get caught. Since the company had all the info for every run and was required by law to keep it, they couldn't make you do it either, because they couldn't escape the liability for doing so.

        •  The funny thing here is that tachographs date (3+ / 0-)

          back until at least the very late 1950's and companies were using them back then.

          Not to make sure they complied with the law - but to make sure drivers weren't off sleeping and claiming they were working!

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          by JesseCW on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 01:37:06 PM PDT

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          •  Yeah that's what they were originally used for... (2+ / 0-)
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            ..in Europe too, but the truckers unions were remarkably successful at fighting contracts that mandated their use. Laws making their use mandatory and and making them the primary way a company demonstrated compliance with HOS rules (rather than just waving the handbook at the regulator and saying "but we told them not to") were also met with VERY vocal opposition to "the spy in the cab" - in this case the trucking companies and the unions were in agreement.

            However, even before the EU made it Europe-wide many national governments had, in a refined and tasteful manner, extended whatever obscene gesture was appropriate to their culture in the direction of the trucking industry and told them to get lost and do it anyway.

            Can't legally buy a new commercial vehicle in Europe that doesn't have one fitted. The newer digital ones, the drivers ID is a smartcard that fits in the device and forms his personal record. You really, REALLY don't want to be the driver in charge of the truck at any time a data pull indicates that it was operated without a valid card in place.

            Company reps have different smartcards that can pull data for any driver and expose extra configuration functions. LE has a third type that overrides any locks placed by a company card and allows access to all data, while a "Factory card" is used by manufacturers and allows access to things like calibration.

            MUCH harder to fake out than the old disks, it just takes the cop plugging his LE card into your device then sticking it into a reader rather than Mr Plod being able to read the evidence with the mark 1 eyeball.

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