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  •  I don't know about Rand Paul, (10+ / 0-)

    but if the Republicans end up picking a candidate that isn't immediately recognizable as crazy by the majority of politically unaware Americans we could be in trouble with HRC as our candidate.

    "Not Too Scary Republican" versus Hillary just sounds like a recipe for a super low turnout election. I don't think that Rand Paul is this Republican, but I also don't want to bet all my chips against the Republicans somehow getting their shit together in the next year or two either.

    •  Name one... (4+ / 0-)

      ..."not-so-scary" Republican.

      Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

      by JeffW on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 07:04:34 PM PDT

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      •  They are all pretty scary if you pay attention, (0+ / 0-)

        but most people don't.

         I don't have anyone specific in mind, but I'm not going to just assume that the Republicans are going to pick some Ted Cruz type either.

          If the Republicans pull it together and pick someone that at least can pretend to be reasonable, and we run HRC, we are probably going to see a whole lot of voters stay home. That never works out well for the Democrats.

    •  THerein lies the problem (0+ / 0-)

      Of course, if they nominate a "not too scary Republican" it will also be trouble for any of our would be candidates, probably worse trouble.

      •  I disagree. (0+ / 0-)

        I think that the right kind of inspirational, populist Democrat could motivate a lot of people to vote that otherwise might abstain. Think 2008 Obama. Hillary isn't this candidate.

         I think having Hillary at the top of the ticket depresses Democratic turnout in 2016 and provides very little incentive for the poor and working class to mobilize, absent a terrifying Republican alternative.

         In my eyes nominating Hillary is only a "sure thing" if we are counting on the GOP to totally botch their primary, which I will admit is still a very real possibility,

        •  But there's no one like Obama (0+ / 0-)

          And no Liz Warren is not like Obama at all.

          •  You're right; she isn't. (0+ / 0-)

            And that's a big part of the reason that she would make an absolutely fantastic President.

            As far as mass appeal goes, I think that Warren is every bit as good as Obama. She's not quite as polished maybe but there is time to fix that. She is very likable though, and becomes much more so once you hear her message.

             Hillary has the rock-star name recognition, but the closer you look at her and her loyalties the less appealing she becomes as a candidate. If she is directly challenged on any number of economic topics by Warren (or a candidate like her) I think that Hillary's numbers start to nosedive. There are a lot of Americans in bad financial shape that aren't going to be interested in putting Wall Street's chosen candidate into the White House.

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