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  •  I've always done that on the Bay Bridge anyway. (15+ / 0-)

    Now it looks like more BART trips are in my future.

    Misconduct by the government is by definition NOT a government secret.

    by Doug in SF on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 10:34:11 AM PDT

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    •  I seem to recall that my neocon father (21+ / 0-)

      who was working for Bechtel in the City at the time spent more than one evening dinner conversation bitching and whining about the cost of the union labor and the domestic reenforcing steel that went into building the BART tube from Oakland to S.F.

      Funny how that thing managed to withstand the 7.4 earthquake in 1989... and now we'll be driving across a bridge made from what probably amounts to recycled Tsing Tao beer cans and pop rivets.

      Why is it that these days, it seems like anyone in a position of authority knows the price of everything and the value of nothing? It used to be almost funny - now it's God-awful and embarrassing. This is supposed to be one of the premier cities in the entire world.

      •  Chinese Steel? (16+ / 0-)

        For major infrastructure? THIS!:"recycled Tsing Tao beer cans and pop rivets". I don't even trust the cardboard boxes they package their shit in. I think Caltrans is a fucking criminal organization that needs a deep, deep forensic audit; they fleece CA taxpayers out of billions. Their subcontractor selection process is scandalous; with no public accountability. Using two, two-man Highway patrol vehicles to do escort duty for highway street sweepers, for overtime pay; that's also a bunch of shit. Hey Jerry Brown, you want to save CA billions of dollars? Well then, get it on it. Bring Kamala in on it also. It's way past time to clean up this crap! Meanwhile, an American Union Welder, sits on the dock of a bay, unemployed, and crying in his beer...SSK

        "Hey Clinton, I'm bushed" - Keith Richards UID 194838

        by Santa Susanna Kid on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 08:02:28 PM PDT

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        •  thank Arnold (11+ / 0-)

          This shit is all his American Labor hating insanity

          •  Arnold?! Actually the lightweight of that group... (11+ / 0-)

            over the course of 47 years, Reagan, Deukmejian and Wilson were each an order of magnitude more anti-just-about-everything and as impossibly stupid about progress as the last. Ahnold was just a California stunt-double for Bush in Sacto... dumb as a hammer and functionally useless.

            Excellent example: Cali isn't exactly a stranger to draughts... the profane lack of water runoff storage and management in this state has been the legislative Elephant In The Room for as long as I can remember. Every time a Demo governor tried to commit funds to begin to fix the problem, some turd blossom decided that exorbitant police pensions and privatized prisons were far more important than the ability to store water; and every Republican governor since I've been alive has not done a single damned thing about the issue. The last one to get anything done at all was Democrat Pat Brown and his Grapevine aqueduct -  old technology that now by today's standards is inefficient and even wasteful, but at least he DID something.

            It might also be noted that in all fairness, Ahnold DID begin to recognize the problem, albeit far too late in his term to be effective... he'd already have to deal with the outing of his problem with keeping his willie in his pants around his maid...

            And now there's no money BECAUSE of police pensions AND we still don't have adequate water runoff storage. We call 'em "regressives" for good reasons, folks...

          •  Arnold doesn't hold a candle against Christy, (3+ / 0-)
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            Christy (NJ) had stopped work on the NJ to NYC ARC project (a high-speed rail project that had all ready been started, costing millions of Obama's 2009 stimulus money), then used those funds to pay for his boast that he could get NJ potholes fixed without raising taxes (and those were FEDERAL dollars, that came from our IRS, not state, or city taxes). Then he used the rest of NJ's share of the ARC (stimulus) money as a kind of "slush fund". After that, we all know how he used those Hurricane Sandy "Relief Fund" money, all so he could say that he is able to get more done while not raising taxes (well, not raising taxes in NJ). A very "Lowering taxes will actually increase revenue into the IRS" kind of twisted logic!

        •  The more we see.... (4+ / 0-)

          .....the more we should realize that it is corruption that interferes with quality of life more than anything else, system of government quite incidental (to quote from Evita).

          While the Republicans stand for the legalization of corruption, the lack of a second, competitive party in this state inevitably will make the Democratic Party in this state more corrupt as well.

          Misconduct by the government is by definition NOT a government secret.

          by Doug in SF on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 08:47:35 AM PDT

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          •  a solution (1+ / 0-)
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            This is why we need majority vote elections- They will empower third parties to provide a check on the Democrats since the Republicans are batshit crazy.  Progressives would have someone to vote for instead of a corporatist democrat, and given the unpopularity of corporatist democrats, a third progressive party would win legislative seats and maybe even a governorship and some national positions. On some issues they could ally with a likely libertarian party against the corporatists.

            It would take an initiative, but it would be easier to pass than a number that have been tried.

      •  Still Is (0+ / 0-)

        Anakai, I think San Francisco still is one of, if not THE, premier cities in the world. From the location to the people, it's got everything. That said, the Cal Trans engineers are another story. I always used to point out the situation in Northridge when the ground shook and the freeways collapsed. The sheer magnitude of the project was overwhelming, and Cal Trans chose to farm out the re-design and construction of the new over passes and associated construction. The work came in under budget and was completed in less time than anticipated, for which the constructors were compensated. All because Cal Trans was NOT involved. It truly is an albatross around the neck of the state and I can't imagine what they're going to do to fix it. Lots of things do work well in California, and I must say I miss it, but I sure don't miss the people at Cal Trans and their road clogging repair units wrapping things up at 0830 hrs on a work day............................

    •  Me too (2+ / 0-)
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      for as long as I have ever traveled that bridge (since the 60's when I finally got my driving license).  I always try to convince my passengers that it is a lot shorter to go the San Mateo Bridge, ( of course it isn't :))

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