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  •  But it doesn't cover criminal actions. (0+ / 0-)

    Fire insurance won't cover you if you committed the arson.

    Life insurance won't pay out for you if you ended your own life.

    Why would gun insurance pay out for you if you committed a criminal action?

    MLK Jr 1968 "Maybe we just have to admit that the day of violence is here, and maybe we have to just give up and let violence take its course. The nation won't listen to our voice - maybe it'll heed the voice of violence."

    by JayFromPA on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 03:20:12 PM PDT

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    •  There's plenty of stupid it could cover. (6+ / 0-)

      All those supposed "accidents" that are not deemed illegal.

      Cats are better than therapy, and I'm a therapist.

      by Smoh on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 03:22:49 PM PDT

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    •  Depends on how the policy is written (7+ / 0-)

      Many policies will cover suicide after a trial period.  Auto insurance pays for damages even if the driver is drunk.  The only I place I hear this "Insurance doesn't cover criminal acts" meme is with gun nuts.  It's not true, but that has never stopped you, eh?  Nice BS sig line.

      “The purpose of our lives is to add value to the people of this generation and those that follow.” – Buckminster Fuller

      by TheFern on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 04:14:47 PM PDT

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      •  The quote isn't bullshit. (0+ / 0-)
        Nice BS sig line.
        The quote came from when it began to appear that the movement wouldn't continue to follow his lead.

        MLK Jr 1968 "Maybe we just have to admit that the day of violence is here, and maybe we have to just give up and let violence take its course. The nation won't listen to our voice - maybe it'll heed the voice of violence."

        by JayFromPA on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 04:33:13 PM PDT

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        •  Actually, in context, it basically is (7+ / 0-)

          He said it, but immediately changed his mind...

          "April 3, 1968" :

          At the Rivermont Holiday Inn, on the banks of the Mississippi, King lay on his bed, the covers pulled up to his chin. He was heartsick. His march had turned into a riot, and the marchers had started it. Had all the years of preaching nonviolence counted for nothing? Were people no longer listening to him? "Maybe we just have to admit that the day of violence is here," he said to Abernathy, "and maybe we have to just give up and let violence take its course. The nation won't listen to our voice—maybe it'll heed the voice of violence."

          "It was the most restless night," Abernathy later said. "It was a terrible and horrible experience for him. I had never seen him in all my life so upset and so troubled." Throughout the night, King brooded over the damage done to his movement and to his reputation. His critics, he knew, would have a field day. White conservatives would point to the Memphis fiasco and say that King's nonviolence was a sham. Cautious, moderate blacks would urge him to slow down, to cancel the Poor People's Campaign in Washington, and the militant advocates of Black Power would proclaim the days of nonviolence and "Martin Loser King" at an end.

          Though agonized and in despair that night, King resolved not to give in to his critics or to give up on Memphis. He had to return and lead a peaceful march and demonstration. The Poor People's Campaign depended on it. "If we don't have a peaceful march in Memphis, no Washington," he said. "No Memphis, no Washington."

          He had a moment of doubt, that's about it. He never became an advocate of violence as your quote, in isolation, misleadingly implies.

          The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -- John Kenneth Galbraith

          by richardak on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 04:58:30 PM PDT

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          •  I'm guessing he knows this. (5+ / 0-)

            He's misquoted historical figures in the past.  Dishonesty seems to be currency with some folks here.  

            “The purpose of our lives is to add value to the people of this generation and those that follow.” – Buckminster Fuller

            by TheFern on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 05:05:02 PM PDT

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              MLK Jr 1968 "Maybe we just have to admit that the day of violence is here, and maybe we have to just give up and let violence take its course. The nation won't listen to our voice - maybe it'll heed the voice of violence."

              by JayFromPA on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 05:21:14 PM PDT

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            •  The "quote" is second hand. It's total BS. (8+ / 0-)

              It's not a quote in the traditional sense.  For JayFromPA to be using it as such, as if he said this thing in a speech or on television, or written down, is completely dishonest.

              He did it for one reason: to provoke.  Which is why he immediately started POINTING IT OUT TO PEOPLE once he put it up.  I dealt with a lot of guys like him when I taught 7th grade.  

              In my opinion, once the "quote" has been debunked and pointed out as false, he should remove it.  If he had any integrity he would.

              Let's just say I'm not holding my breath.

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              by coquiero on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 08:04:24 PM PDT

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          •  It points out that even king knew... (1+ / 0-)
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            Even king knew that non-violence wasn't the only way to get the demanded changes.

            From his perch in 1968, he could look at the example of the battle of athens, where it was the power of individual citizens with guns who overthrew their corrupt government and prevented the stealing of another election. He could look a little closer to home, and see the armed Deacons For Defense protecting the people who marched while carrying MLK's slogans on signs.

            MLK knew that violence would work, but also knew that it would work 'ugly' and did all he could to avoid 'ugly'.

            Lots of people have some sort of rose-colored-glasses fantasy about non-violence being the only possible way. The quote breaks that fantasy.

            MLK Jr 1968 "Maybe we just have to admit that the day of violence is here, and maybe we have to just give up and let violence take its course. The nation won't listen to our voice - maybe it'll heed the voice of violence."

            by JayFromPA on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 05:20:22 PM PDT

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            •  King's post quote actions speak otherwise (5+ / 0-)

              Trying to paint him as a convert to the use of violence based on one sentence said in a moment of weakness I think is just beyond the pale.

              Beyond that, I must say that, in general, advocating violence has absolutely no place on this site. None.

              The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -- John Kenneth Galbraith

              by richardak on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 05:44:56 PM PDT

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              •  Did you even read what I wrote? (0+ / 0-)

                Try again, with particular attention to this part:

                MLK knew that violence would work, but also knew that it would work 'ugly' and did all he could to avoid 'ugly'.
                Sheesh. Please READ. It's not like a face to face conversation when you may not have the time to thoroughly consider my words - it's written text so you can take an hour on it if you want to.

                MLK Jr 1968 "Maybe we just have to admit that the day of violence is here, and maybe we have to just give up and let violence take its course. The nation won't listen to our voice - maybe it'll heed the voice of violence."

                by JayFromPA on Tue Jun 10, 2014 at 05:49:54 PM PDT

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          •  In addition, there is one more paragraph. (3+ / 0-)
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            "Dr. King returned to Atlanta and rallied his aides from around the country to figure out how to return to Memphis, prove that nonviolence could work, and then continue planning the still problematic Poor People's March for late April"

            His sig quote is taken completely out of context, implying Dr. King supported violence, which is a libelous LIE.  

            I'm not sure why he's bothering us here at DKos when I know he'd be much happier at Red State.

            If indeed he said the cherry picked, second hand, completely hearsay quote, it was just a moment of doubt as you say.  Actions speak louder than words, and actions are what we are judged on.

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