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  •  Not buying it. (6+ / 0-)

    I agree that we desperately need to change direction, but Hillary is as much of a war hawk as any Republican. If she was elected President in 2012 right now we'd be at war with Syria at the very least.

     I think that if she is elected in 2016 we will end up at war with Iran. Like most center-right Democrats she will probably think that she needs to prove that she is "tough", and will jump at the chance to start a fight and create another well of contracts for "campaign contributors" to draw from.

    •  Or maybe, having gained the highest office, (5+ / 0-)

      she will figure she has no where else to go and not take anyone up on their goading and opt for peace. I mean, if/after she gets the White House, what other ambitions need she have?

      By 2016, more progressive inroads will have been made. The temperament of the country, after 2 more years of Tea Party assholiness, will be for the sane. We will have had enough of war.

      My guess. I hope I'm right.

      Lead with love. Forgive as a reflex.

      by Gentle Giant on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 12:35:04 PM PDT

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      •  Her ambitions once in the White House (6+ / 0-)

        will be do ingratiate herself to the masters of the universe, so she can ride the big-money gravy train when she leaves office.   Just like Bill did, and just like Obama will do. Bill Clinton's current net worth is estimated to be as high as $100m; not bad for a guy that left office "dead broke". You get rewarded well when you do lots of favors for the extremely wealthy.

        I just think that the risk is far too high. The person that I will vote for in 2016 will be the one that unequivocally states that nothing short of a direct attack on the continental US will cause us to mobilize our military. I'm done with wars of choice and the people that enable them.

        •  I can definitely respect that. (2+ / 0-)

          Lead with love. Forgive as a reflex.

          by Gentle Giant on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 01:35:08 PM PDT

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        •  I disagree (7+ / 0-)

          Hillary was the first Democrat I worked for after switching parties.  My partner and I donated the entire computer system that the upstate campaign hq in Albany had - we also set up a network (less easy back in 00) and even established a free dial up connection so they could get email.  One of our friends helped and also donated equipment.  I've met Hillary several times, I was close to her upstate campaign manager and we supported her in NY29 later on (Yes, I know, I've given out enough info so its really fairly easy to figure out who I am if you patient enough to go through donor records).  I was backstage at one of her debates and got to jump in front of the GOP operative with a huge sign when he tried to wave his Lazio sign at another.

          Hillary is not so easily bought as you think, and not so far right as you think either.  She does what has to be done, but she's not center-right, nor am I.


          •  There are definitely some things that Hillary (0+ / 0-)

            could say between now and 2016 that would make me into one of her supporters, but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for her to say them.

             Maybe I'm being too cynical, but I don't trust her or her loyalties one bit. She's much too close to Wall Street for me to be comfortable; for example the recent Goldman Sachs speeches that she received $400k+ for infuriate me, and  she owes the Democrats that are expected to support her an explanation for that. I think she needs to convince her doubters that her administration won't be a Wall Street free-for-all.

             Overall  I'm open-minded about her candidacy though and I will be watching her very closely in the coming years. Ultimately I think we can do much better, but maybe I'm wrong.

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