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  •  You Forgot Something (15+ / 0-)

    Professor Brat talks a lot about Judeo-Christian values.  It's a dog-whistle to the voters.  And Cantor doesn't quite meet the requirements.  There's a reason why he was the last Jewish GOP in Congress.

    •  Except the Crowd That Thinks That Way Also (1+ / 0-)
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      doesn't have a category for a guy who is simultaneously Roman Catholic and Protestant evangelical.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 04:03:03 PM PDT

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    •  I Always Thought That There Were Many (2+ / 0-)
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      Illinois IRV, chazz509

      jewish voters in Richmond who supported Cantor and that helped him get elected so many times.  I was obviously wrong.  Maybe the candidates who ran against him before never used the Christian religion card against him.  

      "Don't Let Them Catch You With Your Eyes Closed"

      by rssrai on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 04:24:33 PM PDT

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    •  Judeo-Christian values (2+ / 0-)
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      jncca, Swamp Cat

      I might be missing something here, but since "Judeo" stands for Jewish, why would a Jew be worse placed to represent Judeo-Christian values than a Christian?

      •  Uh, Because He's Not Christian? (2+ / 0-)
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        •  Yep. Brat was quoting NT all the time (1+ / 0-)
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          Brat didn't out and out say "don't vote for the Jew", but he was apparently quoting New Testament a lot, just to get the point across.

          "Politicians don't see the light until they feel the heat." (Rep. Keith Ellison)

          by mbayrob on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 07:08:13 PM PDT

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        •  But he's a Jew. And it's *Judeo*-Christian values (0+ / 0-)
          •  Like I said in another comment (0+ / 0-)

            ... what I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around is the notion that using the phrase "Judeo-Christian" is supposed to simultaneously constitute "a dog-whistle to the voters" about Cantor's Jewishness AND a "casual attempt to coopt Judaism".

            Considering that the whole phrase is about Christians trying to coopt the Jewish tradition as part of what they're supposedly defending (cause I agree with Raindog2 that that's what the term is about), I'm not convinced that the very same phrase is a "dog whistle" about not voting for the Jew - it just seems contradictory.

            •  Have you heard of replacement theology? (1+ / 0-)
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              Judeo-Christian does not actually embrace Judaism.

              Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

              by MichaelNY on Thu Jun 12, 2014 at 01:30:45 PM PDT

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            •  Jews Don't Reference "Judeo-Christian" (2+ / 0-)
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              Because that would imply acceptance of Christianity, which we don't, otherwise we'd be Christians.  

              Christians use the term "Judeo-Christian" as a means of co-opting Judaism, by which I mean, attempting to convince Jews that we should support Christian positions.  And frankly, Islam is closer to Judaism than Christianity.  Why don't we hear about Judeo-Muslim values?

              As for Brat, his use of the phrase "Judeo-Christian" self evidently reminds voters (the majority of whom ARE Christian, at least in his district), that he's a Christian, and Cantor isn't.  And don't pretend the voters didn't hear him.  That's what I meant by "dog-whistle".  

              Apparently the pundits didn't hear him, since none of them have identified this as a factor in Cantor's totally unexpected loss.

      •  The Judeo in Judeo-Christian values (7+ / 0-)

        has nothing to do with Jews.

        If fundamentalists simply touted their belief in 'Christian' values, they'd have to face the fact that they are enourmous hypocrits, the kind Jesus scorned, excoriated and had nothing to do with.

        So they tack on the Old Testament, the 'Judeo' part, which has verses that show an angry jealous god smiting enemies left and right with a very heavy hand.

        A lot of Fundamentalist credo: gays are an abomination, abortion is an abomination... all the tribal stuff, that's from the Old Testament, at least, there are some verses if read sideways in the right light while squinting your left eye might support that crapola, and if they limited themselves to 'Christian' values ie: verses only in the New Testament, they'd have a much harder time convincing themselves of such things as the coming apocalypse and the Rapture and other heretical nonsense.

        The New Testament, after all, was supposed to have supplanted the old laws with the new law: love your neighbor as you love yourself.

        But this crowd of 'Judeo-Christians' hate their neighbors, and the horses their neighbors rode in on, and want to burn their neighbors on a stake.

        "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

        by Orinoco on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 06:52:39 PM PDT

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        •  Unfair to the OT (2+ / 0-)

          People of faith can preach for whatever cause they want quoting whichever scripture they please.  There is plenty of grist for the homophobic mill within the NT text and no mention of abortion anywhere in either text (The OT law that requires monetary damage be paid for the negligent killing of fetus being any incredible stretch at best).

          But do remember that many of the best oneliners in the new testament are direct quotations of the old.  "Love your neighbor as yourself" is a direct quote from Leviticus. Perhaps those that denounce the old as "tribal stuff" don't fully realize this.

      •  "Judeo" (3+ / 0-)

        I have never once heard a Jewish person describe their values as "Judeo-Christian". Those who use the phrase are almost always conservative Christians, who are casually attempting to coop Judaism while they proclaim their so-called values.

        •  That's my point though. (1+ / 0-)
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          I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the notion that using the phrase "Judeo-Christian" is supposed to simultaneously constitute "a dog-whistle to the voters" about Cantor's Jewishness AND a "casual attempt to coopt Judaism".

          •  "Judeo-Christian" = "Old Testament Christian" (3+ / 0-)

            i.e., permanently-pissed-off Bad-Daddy Deity zipping around smiting the shit out of insufficiently worshipful peeps, with JC as the Get-Out-Of-Hell-Free card. Appeals to the folks who crave sweet mercy for themselves & their loved ones & stern justice for everyone else.

            The bumpersticker I want: THE LEFT IS RIGHT! THE RIGHT IS WRONG! THE FAR RIGHT IS FAR WRONG!

            by Uncle Cosmo on Thu Jun 12, 2014 at 07:01:41 AM PDT

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    •  I don't buy this (7+ / 0-)

      Cantor's represented this (my) district for 14 years.  Most people knew he was Jewish and still kept re-electing him.

      "We *can* go back to the Dark Ages! The crust of learning and good manners and tolerance is so thin!" -- Sinclair Lewis

      by Nespolo on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 05:36:51 PM PDT

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      •  I live in the VA-07 as well, (1+ / 0-)
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        and while dislike of Mr. Cantor is one thing both liberals and conservatives here agree on, I have never heard anyone criticize him for being Jewish.

        You can put your shoes in the oven, but it won't make them biscuits.

        by quetzalmom on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 09:19:11 AM PDT

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