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  •  The right of a company to get paid by the govmt (3+ / 0-)
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    is not a civil liberty.

    Many (here) have correctly argued that in regards to banning Rush from various airways.

    Me thinks your just unintelligibly ranting.

    •  This is where I disconnect from the diarist's... (1+ / 0-)
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      Eyesbright

      ...point as well.

      Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is most important that you do it.

      by The Termite on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 04:30:26 PM PDT

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      •  So you think there would be no legal (1+ / 0-)
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        problem if the government passed a law prohibiting the funding of colleges that, say, had a pro-LGBT policy or signed onto an anti-slave labor initiative.

        I'll grant that it's a contested area of the law, especially on the right (see: the National Endowment for the Arts) but while there is not constitutional guarantee of funding, the 1st Amendment should and does prevent the government from making funding decisions based on political expression.

    •  What is a civil liberty? (2+ / 0-)
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      codairem, BMScott

      By your argument, the Republicans could pass a law banning government contracts for any company (or university) if the top executives donated money to Democrats. I'm sorry, but that's clearly a violation of civil liberties, even if it is the punishment of a company.

      Likewise, it would be a violation of civil liberties if the government banned Rush Limbaugh from broadcasting. I wrote an entire book trashing Rush, but I don't believe in government censorship for anyone. I apologize if believing in academic freedom is unintelligible ranting.

      The Most Dangerous Man in America: Rush Limbaugh's Assault on Reason (www.limbaughbook.com).

      by JohnKWilson on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 05:06:28 PM PDT

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    •  If the universities (2+ / 0-)
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      were invested in the blood diamond trade in South Africa, and there was a movement to get them to divest and a countervailing attempt by the legislature to withhold funding - would that be a civil liberties issue?  If so, how is that different?

      Isn't banning funds to universities for taking a perfectly legal political position the moral equivalent of giving financial kickbacks to those universities that take the "right" political position?

      Maybe the government should just fund universities, period, and stay out of it otherwise unless they're failing in the mission that qualifies them for the funding.  Which presumably has to do with educational standards, not politics.

      As far as I know, Rush doesn't get government funding, he's a commercial enterprise and subject to those pesky free market forces we're relentlessly told rule the universe.  He got exactly what he deserved.  It's karma, baby.

      A house is no home unless it contains food and fire for the mind as well as the body. - Margaret Fuller

      by penelope pnortney on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 05:23:29 PM PDT

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    •  Educational institutions whose "product" is (0+ / 0-)

      the teaching of ideas and knowledge (ie an education) has been reduced by your comment to "a company" seems odd.  

      Rush Limbaugh works for a for-profit corporation (different tax status than institutions of higher education, so the government (we) recognize them as different) that sells ad space to other for profit corporations and pay him money as an employee.  

      Most institutions of higher education do not support their missions through the collection of tuition and fees alone, most rely either on government support (this is a societal concept about the importance of an educated citizenry, which is also why we fund public schools) or on the donations of alumni or supporters to their endowments to subsidize that educational product.

      Your comparison in inapt.

      But if your point is that the diarist has not proven or  clearly demonstrated the connection between Grayson's bill and the chilling effect on intellectual freedom or free speech in colleges and universities, I agree.  This diary is not well-written and its content does not support its rather grand title.

      "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of these United States of America -9.75 -6.87

      by Uncle Moji on Wed Jun 11, 2014 at 05:29:53 PM PDT

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      •  Apparently you are uniformed about the reference (0+ / 0-)

        https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/...

        Its not the corp to corp aspect.

        Its the fact that military organizations carry his show. This can legally be banned.

        This is an EXACT comparison. Unless you think that if Rush worked for a non profit the gov's ability decide if they wanted to fund him would be substantially different?

        Either way lolz.

        •  I suspect you meant to use another word (0+ / 0-)

          other than your chosen "uniformed", at least I hope so.

          I read the other petition and your reading comprehension skills remain suspect at best, if you continue to argue that your comparisons are "EXACT".  

          But, clearly, "lolz" is about as clever a riposte as one can muster. Why am I not surprised?

          "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of these United States of America -9.75 -6.87

          by Uncle Moji on Thu Jun 12, 2014 at 10:17:14 AM PDT

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            I dont normally like to leave me posts directly personal. But when I do I like to make them aimed at snootyness boggers.

            How does it make you feel than somone who does not bother to proof reed is less uniformed than you? ;)  It most be irksome to not have been aware of the issue you were responding about. Perhaps it would be good better to spend more time becoming un-unformed about various political initiatives and less on

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