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  •  Children need their daily lead. (6+ / 0-)

    Wild Meat Raises Lead Exposure

    Scientific American Sep 28, 2009
    Sporting groups are opposed to any restrictions on lead-based ammunition, arguing that there’s no clear evidence that it is dangerous when used to hunt deer and other animals.

    New research, however, has shown that eating venison and other game can substantially raise the amounts of lead in human bodies. The findings have prompted some experts to recommend bans on lead ammunition.

    Hunters are on the wrong side of this issue.

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    by 88kathy on Thu Jun 12, 2014 at 11:41:01 AM PDT

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    •  I'm not really on the "wrong side" (0+ / 0-)

      Lead exposure/consumption is indeed a concern, especially for developing children. However, I think there is much more lead in other materials and the environment than there is in game harvested by hunters for consumption. I am thinking about shotgun pellets in dove or other fowl (relatively more lead) vs. one clean shot through and exiting a deer (less lead) vs. flaking paint from window trim in, say, subsidized housing (more lead). Lead is ubiquitous in our environment, and no, humans don't do enough to limit unnecessary exposure. We could do better.

      I think that we've had similar conversations in the past. I think you know that I favor universal background checks on all gun sales and advocate for closing gun show and private sale loopholes. I don't own a military-style rifle nor do I have any desire to own one. They belong on the battlefield, not the woods and certainly not in the hands of crazy, misbehaving nutcases. I am all for sensible gun legislation.

      But making ammunition for hunting virtually unobtainable by those who could use it the most is not my thing. The issue is multifaceted and I don't see it as simply wrong/right, black/white, so if you see me as being on the wrong side, then I won't pretend that I can convince you that I'm not. It's just my experience that informs my opinion.

      •  North Dakota does not agree with you (5+ / 0-)
        That realization led Cornatzer and a radiologist last year to X-ray 100 packages of venison that had been donated by a sportsmen group to a food bank. About 60 percent of the packages contained lead-shot fragments, even though it’s common practice among hunters to remove meat around the wound.

        The discovery prompted North Dakota to warn pregnant women and children 6 and under not to eat venison killed with ammunition containing lead.


        Hunters are on the wrong side of this issue.

        Sporting groups are opposed to any restrictions on lead-based ammunition, arguing that there’s no clear evidence that it is dangerous when used to hunt deer and other animals.
        “The use of traditional ammunition does not pose a health risk to human beings,” said Ted Novin, director of public affairs for the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a trade association for the firearms, ammunition and hunting industries.

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        by 88kathy on Thu Jun 12, 2014 at 02:42:02 PM PDT

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        •  Magic Bullet Theory? (0+ / 0-)
          About 60 percent of the packages contained lead-shot fragments,
          I can't for the life of me figure out how that would happen. I looked up Dr. William Cornatzer which the article mentions, but I don't expect we'll be seeing any public health publications from him because he is a dermatologist.

          Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

          by bernardpliers on Thu Jun 12, 2014 at 10:08:42 PM PDT

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          •  Didn't you just blow the lid off a Scientific (0+ / 0-)

            American article and show up a know nothing dermatologist.

            Cornatzer, a clinical professor of medicine at the University of North Dakota School of Medicine & Health Sciences.
            Also a practicing Dermatologist. Another RKBA confused take on research. So you think DR Cornatzer is beneath your contempt. You don't think he does enough to come up to your fine standards. You might be interested in the senior Coratzer who
            William E. Cornatzer

            Dr. Cornatzer founded the Department of Biochemistry at the University of North Dakota in 1951

            The Scientific American isn't bogus or Brietbart.

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            by 88kathy on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 06:00:30 AM PDT

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            •  Scientific American Is Like The History Channel (0+ / 0-)

              It's not what it was 30 years ago, it was sold to some publishing conglomerate.

              Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

              by bernardpliers on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 07:31:26 AM PDT

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              •  I really get tired of the attack, block and smear (0+ / 0-)

                tactics.

                You've got nothing.

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                by 88kathy on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 07:45:37 AM PDT

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                •  Hey I Subscribed to SciAm in the 70s (0+ / 0-)

                  So I think I know.

                  Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

                  by bernardpliers on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 07:53:20 AM PDT

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                  •  You have nothing to refute what I linked so you (1+ / 0-)
                    Recommended by:
                    Timaeus

                    smear the source. You say Scientific American is not a reputable magazine. That a clinical professor of medicine at the University of North Dakota School of Medicine & Health Sciences is beneath your contempt. You use an anonymous posting outlet to hurl your accusations.

                    You have nothing except your vile bile, and you hope you are deep enough in the comments and over enough to the right margin that Meteor Blades doesn't notice.

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                    by 88kathy on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 08:01:03 AM PDT

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                  •  University of Minnesota (0+ / 0-)

                    Read More

                    Non-lead ammunition is recommended to help ensure both a healthy environment for wildlife and safe food for humans, especially when deer-hunting with rifles. Multiple professional and scientific organizations have passed resolutions recommending the phasing out of lead ammunition.19, 20, 21,22, 23 Policy options adopted by other states include:

                        Voluntary grassroots efforts through hunter education and ammunition exchange programs.
                        Regulation of lead in ammunition – in 2013, California became the first state to ban lead ammunition for hunting throughout the state.

                    Extensive links in this 2014 article.

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                    by 88kathy on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 08:18:30 AM PDT

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          •  Here's another article which explains how the lead (0+ / 0-)

            gets in the meat and how they found it. Blog article

            The story starts last year, when Dr. William Cornatzer of Bismark, North Dakota took 100 one-pound packages of venison that had been donated to food pantries, and imaged them in a CAT scanner. The CAT scan showed that more than 60 of the samples had been contaminated with high levels of lead from the bullets used to kill the animals. Every package had some level of contamination.

            Cornatzer is a dermatologist and professor at the University of North Dakota medical school in Grand Forks.

            The North Dakota Health Department followed up with its own tests, which confirmed Dr. Cornatzer’s results. Minnesota and Iowa evaluated the results, with some media reporting they also conducted their own tests. As a result, North Dakota, Minnesota, and Iowa have alerted food pantries in the state to the contamination and suggested they not distribute the meat.

            Of course you might not be able to get all the way through the blog article here's a little tidbit I thought you might like
            Jason Foss, president of Pheasants for the Future (and of unknown lawyer status), says:
               “Sportsmen have been shooting deer for hundreds of years with lead bullets with no problems.”
            Poor Jason apparently has no idea that it has only been a few decades that hunters have been using high-powered ammunition with fragmenting lead bullets. As muzzle-loaders know, balls do not fragment on impact; neither do a number of bullet types designed to mushroom rather than fragment.

            This is just another sad example of ignorant people lining up to attack science without seeing the opportunities that scientific results present.

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            by 88kathy on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 06:13:28 AM PDT

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