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  •  I don't believe that "most" Americans (14+ / 0-)

    actually hated gay people to begin with.  That's what Perry and his kind would like to THINK was the case, but I'd guess that there were vocal minorities at each end of the scale, with the majority somewhere in the middle, too preoccupied with their own problems to pay much attention.  That's how such things usually go.

    I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

    by mojo11 on Thu Jun 12, 2014 at 09:07:42 AM PDT

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    •  optics vs. reality (7+ / 0-)

      I think that most Americans still hold some kind of lifestyle magazine ideal of home and family and community life in their collective imagination.  I think that the right was always able to turn large numbers of people against the social boogeyman of the decade by filling people's heads not with the simple fact of a gay couple or a mixed-race couple at the PTA meetings or hosting a birthday party, but with the idea that these couples (and their children) were on a mission to violate that lifestyle magazine ideal.  They were going to barge into your life, rub themselves in your face at every opportunity, and expect to be celebrated as pioneers and heroes of the liberation struggle ... and if you had a problem with that, then you were a bigot.

      Things change when people see that there is really no agenda and that we all want basically the same thing.

      Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

      by Visceral on Thu Jun 12, 2014 at 11:13:05 AM PDT

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      •  No question that the right played the fear card (4+ / 0-)
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        It's basically the only card they hold.  If it doesn't profit them, then they find some way to make you afraid of it.  That may take the form of inflating the non-conformist couple into an evil subculture coming to steal your children, or -- and this is probably more common -- it could be some regulation that's going to make it too expensive to keep all those jobs available because gummint overreach is costing too much.

        I think people wised up to the idea that Ward and June and the Beav were a myth a long time ago.  Hell, even when they were a thing, people probably realized at some level that nobody actually lived that way.

        The haters are gonna hate, and sadly, that'll take many more generations to finally die out.  If it ever does.  Meanwhile, the rest of us just gotta keep trudging the road.

        I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

        by mojo11 on Thu Jun 12, 2014 at 11:39:08 AM PDT

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        •  Especially in the last 20yrs of so when the actors (0+ / 0-)

          from that show started talking about their lives at the time. Apparently the kids toward the end of the series were having a lot of sex with groupies and well anyone and everyone. And Barbara Billingsley would talk about how their real lives apart from the show were not like the show at all.

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          by wishingwell on Thu Jun 12, 2014 at 06:30:53 PM PDT

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    •  It's an election year gimmick to get out the base (4+ / 0-)
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      in a "turnout the base" year.
      They've been doing this for a long time.

      This is the reason they keep the pressure up on the social issues and are agressive with guns or rhetoric about a "war on Christmas", the "gay agenda", etc.
      They are trying to drag moderate Christians into a radicalized, politicized definition of their Christian duty.

      This is a strategy that has worked for them for years. It also diverts attention away from the other stuff they're doing or not doing that affects peoples lives. For instance, Perry's crony capitalism and corruption.

      You can't make this stuff up.

      by David54 on Thu Jun 12, 2014 at 01:44:00 PM PDT

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      •  It also forces US (15+ / 0-)

        to expend resources stamping out these little brush fires they set at the state level so that those resources are not available to support actual campaigns that might accomplish something. I'm convinced that the barrage of so-called "marriage protection amendments" that popped up like weeds in 2012 were concocted for exactly that purpose.  Some of them would be defeated outright, and -- as we have seen -- most or all of them are going to fail a Constitutional challenge (which is, ironically, one of the things they were ostensibly supposed to prevent).  And here in NC Thom "The Tool" Tillis gave away the farm when he let it slip that the amendment to NC's constitution would "probably be repealed in 10-20 years".  What that told me was that they really didn't care if they won or not, it was just a distraction.  A smoke screen so we wouldn't notice that they were gutting the VRA, education, and environmental rules.  In return we get Guns Everywhere! and One Man + One Woman = One Divorce Marriage.  And Motorcycle Vaginas! Like Gawd in tended.  And lower tax rates for everybody!  Leading to a $600,000,000 budget shortfall, but that's okay, we'll just cut food stamps and teacher tenure to pay for it.  Oh, and by the way, if you're NOT one of the 1%, then your actual tax BILL will probably go up a couple hundred to a couple thousand dollars because a lot of the deductions and credits you used to get got heaved over the side.  But if you're inheriting a big pile of cash, no worries!  There's no longer an estate tax!  And if you're poor?  Well, then you should maybe stop being poor. You know... bootstraps and stuff.  Because freedom.  And Jeebus.

        I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

        by mojo11 on Thu Jun 12, 2014 at 01:57:16 PM PDT

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