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  •  I agree that the Israeli occupation (4+ / 0-)

    is heavy-handed, but to be a Jew in Israel is to be constantly wondering when the next attack will come.

    The Palestinians have been intransigent, continuing to support the killing of Jews and supporting terror tactics.

    The big difference between the two is that an Arab can be an Israeli citizen and sit in the Knesset. No equivalent situation exists in Palestine or elsewhere in the Arab world.

    Millions of Germans civilians were brutally expelled from their homes in Eastern Europe after WWII and hundreds of thousands of them died.  None of them or their descendants engaged in a postwar campaign of terror against the peoples who supplanted them.  They simply moved inside the reduced borders of Germany and eventually prospered.

    I understand that the nature of the Israeli occupation makes prosperity difficult for the inhabitants of the West Bank and Gaza.  Giving up the jihad mentality would serve the Palestinians well; indeed there are many signs this is slowly happening as we saw in the Vatican last weekend.

    This resolution is just the kind of grandstanding by the ultra-liberal elites that dominate legacy Protestant bodies that encourages less liberal congregations to leave the national organization.  Its better to pick your battles wisely and choose relevance over ultra-purity.

    •  More than ten times as many Palestinians (7+ / 0-)

      have been killed in the conflict as Israelis. In fact, everything you claim is true of The Palestinians is in fact true of Israel. Israel regularly and intentionally kills civilians. Israel is also continually expanding settlements and taking more land from Palestine. Israel doesn't want the war to end because Israel wants all of the land between the Jordan and the sea. They have made this perfectly clear by their actions.

      Millions of Germans civilians were brutally expelled from their homes in Eastern Europe after WWII and hundreds of thousands of them died.  None of them or their descendants engaged in a postwar campaign of terror against the peoples who supplanted them.  They simply moved inside the reduced borders of Germany and eventually prospered.
      Germany also committed genocide. There is no comparison.

      No War but Class War

      by AoT on Thu Jun 12, 2014 at 04:08:12 PM PDT

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      •  The comparison was (1+ / 0-)
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        between how the expelled Germans dealt with their misfortune and how the Palestinians don't seem to want to move on.  Victimhood, no matter how well-deserved, palls with time.  And thanks for not giving a shit about the German refugees, all of whom clearly deserved their fate, even the children and infants.

        I did say the occupation was heavy-handed.  But I guess all those photos of Palestinian kids wearing toy suicide vests are fake, huh?

      •  That's B.S. (0+ / 0-)

        Israel avoids intentional killing of civilians, although it does happen in war, at the cost of her own people.

        Let the well-being of your fellow man be as dear to you as your own. -- Pirkei Avos

        by Not A Bot on Sun Jun 15, 2014 at 09:55:53 PM PDT

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    •  Maybe you should find out (4+ / 0-)

      what it's like to be a Palestinian.  Wondering when the next attack will come and having absolutely no defense against an American-supported massive army with the heaviest, most modern weapons available.  Or the biggest bulldozers to level your house.

      Look at statistics for a start. Ieraelis rarely die at the hands of Palestinians.  Palestinians aren't as lucky, facing death and imprisonment for protesting settlements every day.

      Not to mention annexation, border control, Israeli-only freeways that fracture towns...no end, really.

      You use post-war Germany as an example but leave out the fact that they were rebuilt with funds of the victor.  Look what Germany did after WWI.

      Palestinians have already embraced nonviolence. BDS is a part of that.

      Your impression of Palestine is kind of 1986.  Time to brush up.

      I think Israel (and/or AIPAC) has a large and problematic influence on our foreign policy and legislation as it relates to Iran and the Middle East. Since I've been hidden for saying this, I expect to be hidden every time I post with this sig.

      by Black Mare on Thu Jun 12, 2014 at 04:25:56 PM PDT

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