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  •  Who is "they" and who did they elect? (2+ / 0-)
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    Seeking clarification before I respond.

    "It is better to light one candle than curse the darkness." (Adlai Stevenson in praise of Eleanor Roosevelt) (Glowing Candle Avatar Adopted in 1986)

    by murphthesurf3 on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 06:05:27 AM PDT

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    •  The they is US voters and Congress. n/t (0+ / 0-)
      •  Pretty much all of our US elites in various fields (2+ / 0-)

        Let's face it, people in any position of influence who stood up to the whole Global War on Terror narrative were few and far between.

        I'll never forget what an elderly lifelong German peace and ecology activist told me. Said that at the moment the war ended in 1945, he'd been a 12 year old Hitler Youth. In the 18 months that followed, he came to realize one very important thing:

        Every single one of the authority figures, role models, and media sources you trust can agree something is true and good. But it can still turn out to be a lie and evil.

        He never forgot that lesson, he said. People who speak for powerful institutions are in cahoots in ways an individual can't know about. You always have to question, probe in unorthodox ways, and resist.

        The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war. ♥ ♥ ♥ Forget Neo — The One is Minori Urakawa

        by lotlizard on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 10:51:51 AM PDT

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        •  Wonderful Point. (1+ / 0-)
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          Remember Martin Niemoller? He would understand your point:

          "First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out- Because I was not a Socialist.

          Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

          Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.

          Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

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          Niemöller in a post WWII interview was asked why he ever supported the Nazi Party, Niemöller replied:
             I find myself wondering about that too. I wonder about it as much as I regret it. Still, it is true that Hitler betrayed me. I had an audience with him, as a representative of the Protestant Church, shortly before he became Chancellor, in 1932. Hitler promised me on his word of honor, to protect the Church, and not to issue any anti-Church laws. He also agreed not to allow pogroms against the Jews, assuring me as follows: "There will be restrictions against the Jews, but there will be no ghettos, no pogroms, in Germany."

              I really believed, given the widespread anti-Semitism in Germany, at that time—that Jews should avoid aspiring to Government positions or seats in the Reichstag. There were many Jews, especially among the Zionists, who took a similar stand. Hitler's assurance satisfied me at the time. On the other hand, I hated the growing atheistic movement, which was fostered and promoted by the Social Democrats and the Communists. Their hostility toward the Church made me pin my hopes on Hitler for a while.

              I am paying for that mistake now; and not me alone, but thousands of other persons like me.

          "It is better to light one candle than curse the darkness." (Adlai Stevenson in praise of Eleanor Roosevelt) (Glowing Candle Avatar Adopted in 1986)

          by murphthesurf3 on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 06:22:18 AM PDT

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      •  Got it and see your point. (1+ / 0-)
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        "It is better to light one candle than curse the darkness." (Adlai Stevenson in praise of Eleanor Roosevelt) (Glowing Candle Avatar Adopted in 1986)

        by murphthesurf3 on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 06:16:38 AM PDT

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