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  •  Not true (10+ / 0-)

    Schwrzenegger couldn't run because neither of his parent were Americans.  Different situation with Cruz.
    McCain as born in Panama of American parents.

    •  At the time, the Canal Zone was US territory (5+ / 0-)

      so McCain was eligible to run. it is long been held that you have to be born in this country, or its possessions, to run for president. so someone born outside the US, like England, Austria or Canada, is not eligible.this requirement was a response to the British monarchy which had rulers brought in from other countries to lead it from time to time.

      •  It makes no difference whether he was born ... (11+ / 0-)

        in the Canal Zone or in Panama City (which there is some indication that he may have been).  There are two ways of acquiring citizenship -- by birth, or by naturalization. McCain acquired citizenship by virtue of being born to an American citizen, as did Ted Cruz, as did Barack Obama even if he had been born in Kenya rather than Hawaii.

        Most legal scholars interpret the natural born citizenship requirement to mean someone who was a citizen by birth, whether it was birth in the United States, or birth abroad to an American citizen.

        It would be political suicide to argue that the many thousands of American citizens who were born abroad to Americans serving in the armed forces in places like Germany or Japan, or to American diplomats serving all over the world, are therefore somehow disqualified from ever seeking the Presidency. It would be politically suicidal, and it would also be legally nonsensical.

        Bin Laden is dead. GM and Chrysler are alive.

        by leevank on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 08:54:22 AM PDT

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        •  The Constitution was vague on what a natural (3+ / 0-)
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          born citizenship means. Hamilton was of the belief that it applied simply to those born within the US.  naturalization requires 14 years residency.

          •  Hamilton's position wasn't what you say (2+ / 0-)
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            At least it wasn't in his proposed draft of the Constitution which, at Article IX, Section 1 provided as follows:

            No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a Citizen of one of the States, or hereafter be born a Citizen of the United States.[
            http://memory.loc.gov/...

            It does not require that he be born IN the United States, merely that he be born a citizen OF the United States. I am aware of no indication that the natural born citizen requirement was ever intended to mean more than that. Clearly, under the law as it existed when Ted Cruz was born, he was born a citizen OF the United States, as was John McCain, regardless of where either of them were born.

            Bin Laden is dead. GM and Chrysler are alive.

            by leevank on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 09:40:04 AM PDT

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          •  Title 8 of the US Code, Section 1401 ... (0+ / 0-)

            Title 8 of the US Code, Section 1401 defines the following as citizens of the United States upon birth… or natural born citizens:

            - Anyone born inside the United States.  The person must be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States.  (This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.)

            - Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe

            - Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.

            - Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national

            - Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year

            - Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21

            - Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)

            This last clause covers Cruz. The third covers McCain. The first covers Obama.

            Republicans - A pathology, not a party.

            by storeysound on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 02:19:36 PM PDT

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        •  Germany, Canada, Panama.. (0+ / 0-)

          as long as one parent is an American citizen, a child is considered native born American.  You paid attention in history!!!  Friends' children were born in Germany, in a German hospital to an American couple while the husband was stationed there.  The two children carried dual citizenship until they turned 18; at that time they were required to decide which county to have as their native country.  One did choose Germany; he had grown up in Germany and when they were stationed back here, kids in the South made fun of him because he spoke both German and English.  His mother was offered a DOD job back in Germany and they gladly went.  The kids were overjoyed as they loved German schools  My nephews spent part of their childhood in Germany; they all are multi-lingual and despised American schools because they were so far behind (and they came back to CA schools which were some of the best in the nation where they were).  They now travel all over the world in their jobs because they are multi-lingual.  
          Much as I hate the thought of it, Cruz is legally an American citizen; my only question is why has he carried dual citizenship all this time.  He has known it.  Kids born in most other countries have to declare at age 18.  I would like to know if he was supposed to..

      •  He wasn't born in U. S. territory. (3+ / 0-)

        He was born in a hospital in Panama City, as were all the children of U. S. military stationed there (as told to me by a military brat who was also born there in the same era).

        As long as at least one of your parents is a U. S. citizen, it doesn't matter where you're born.

        -5.13,-5.64; GOP thinking: A 13 year path to citizenship is too easy, and a 5 minute background check is too burdensome. -- 1audreyrenee

        by gizmo59 on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 09:38:46 AM PDT

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        •  It isn't that cut and dry (2+ / 0-)
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          If you're born outside the US and its territories, and only one of your parents is a US citizen, then there are some non-trivial residency requirements for the US citizen parent. Basically they need to have lived in the US for a specific number of years.

          In Ted Cruz's case, While his mother was American, his father was Cuban (i.e. neither a US citizen nor a US national). This means Ted's mother would need to have lived in the US for at least 5 years, with at least 2 of those 5 being after her 14th birthday.

          So to summarize: "As long as at least one of your parents is a U. S. citizen, it doesn't matter where you're born." is wrong.

          •  And Ted (1+ / 0-)
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            was having trouble proving that his mother met those residency requirements.

            A great democracy does not make it harder to vote than to buy an assault weapon. -Bill Clinton

            by PSzymeczek on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 10:24:10 AM PDT

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            •  I have no idea of the basis for that statement (3+ / 0-)

              His mother was born and raised in Wilmington, Delaware, and graduated from Rice University in Houston.

              Sure, the birthers who were never convinced by any amount of documentation on President Obama wouldn't be convinced if the tables were turned, but do we really need to join them in their hypocrisy?

              Bin Laden is dead. GM and Chrysler are alive.

              by leevank on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 11:08:13 AM PDT

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              •  But as every Republican knows, college residenc... (3+ / 0-)
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                But as every Republican knows, college residency doesn't count for anything. ;-)

                •  It would be ironic (1+ / 0-)
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                  if their birtherism came back and bit them on the ass, even if it's no more legitimate for Cruz than it was for Obama.

                  I was working on the proof of one of my poems all the morning, and took out a comma. In the afternoon I put it back again. - Oscar Wilde

                  by penelope pnortney on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 08:40:59 AM PDT

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              •  He was having difficulty (0+ / 0-)

                coming up with acceptable documentation that his mother resided in the US for 10 years prior to Ted's birth, 5 of which had to be after her 14th birthday.  http://www.salon.com/...

                A great democracy does not make it harder to vote than to buy an assault weapon. -Bill Clinton

                by PSzymeczek on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 10:35:56 AM PDT

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                •  The article doesn't say that (0+ / 0-)

                  It just says what the author of the article thinks she'd need to come up with to prove it. But there's no indication that he's tried to come up with such proof, presumably because the entire argument is basically presposterous. Most reasonable people would think that if somebody is born in Wilmington, Delaware to American citizens, and graduates from college in Houston, Texas, the burden is on someone suggesting that she didn't spend most of the intervening years in the United States to come up with some evidence of that fact, and to the best of my knowledge, there has been absolutely no effort by anybody to do so.

                  I can't stand Ted Cruz, and there are countless reasons that he shouldn't be President, but this isn't one of them.

                  Bin Laden is dead. GM and Chrysler are alive.

                  by leevank on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 02:34:44 PM PDT

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                  •  So give a plausible explanation (0+ / 0-)

                    just why it took so long for him to renounce his Canadian citizenship.

                    A great democracy does not make it harder to vote than to buy an assault weapon. -Bill Clinton

                    by PSzymeczek on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 03:44:54 PM PDT

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                    •  Presumably because he had no real reason ... (0+ / 0-)

                      to do so until he decided to run for President and knew a political issue would be made of it. If I had been born in Canada, I would never have bothered to renounce my Canadian citizenship. In any event, what is that supposed to have to do with his mother's status?

                      Bin Laden is dead. GM and Chrysler are alive.

                      by leevank on Mon Jun 16, 2014 at 06:22:41 AM PDT

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            •  and ted (1+ / 0-)
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              who cares. that is happy horseshit. the fact remains that this political piece of shit,and ALL others are BOUGHT AND SOLD by the likes of the koch brothers,and all others who thave the money to buy the way they all think.get the money outta politics and we dont even talk about asshole kissups like ted fucking cruz.

          •  Thanks for the clarification. (n/t) (0+ / 0-)

            -5.13,-5.64; GOP thinking: A 13 year path to citizenship is too easy, and a 5 minute background check is too burdensome. -- 1audreyrenee

            by gizmo59 on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 10:29:44 AM PDT

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        •  McCain Born in Coco Solo, Canal Zone (1+ / 0-)
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          Wikipedia states that Senator McCain was born in Coco Solo, Canal Zone. In addition, I believe your source was mistaken in saying that all U.S. military dependents in the Canal Zone were born in Panama City, Republic of Panama.

          Coco Solo Hospital was the Naval Air Station on the Atlantic Side of the Canal Zone. It is approximately 50 miles of two-lane, mountainous road (especially back when McCain was born in 1936) from Coco Solo to Panama City. That would be an arduous and dangerous drive for a woman in labor. In addition, conditions in Panamanian hospitals in 1936 would not have been acceptable for military dependents, especially officers' wives.  

          I agree with your assessment that the children of U.S. citizens that are born abroad are also U.S. citizens. I was born and raised (18 years) in the Canal Zone myself with U.S. citizens as parents (civilian).

          There were lots of U.S. military stationed on the Atlantic as well as Pacific side of the Canal Zone. My father was stationed there in 1938. We had our own Gorgas Hospital in Ancon, Canal Zone, on the Pacific Side. Check out the Wikipedia entry for Senator McCain.

    •  If I recall correctly, (0+ / 0-)

      you have to have been a US citizen for at least 14 years prior to running for President.  No idea how long Teddy Boy's been in the States, but Schwarzenegger arrived here in 1966.

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