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  •  Even Longer Support (30+ / 0-)
    How she voted made no difference at all.

    It most certainly did make a difference how she voted. Though by your logic, she surely should have voted against it, since it would have made no difference. But she voted for it. And didn't stop others from voting for it. And her vote's consequences are the worst damage outside this country's borders in history, exceeding even the Vietnam War's.

    BTW, if you agree that she should have learned "don't arm the rebels", you should hold against her the other revelation in the book that's funding her campaign that she tried to get Obama to arm the rebels in Syria. Who today are in control of large areas of Iraq. Which today she said she "could not have predicted" they would do so.

    Holding that against her, which is right and proper, would mean not supporting her to get Bush's power to really "not have predicted" the continued unfolding of her disastrous decisions that aren't even safely dead history.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 01:20:50 PM PDT

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    •  she wanted inspectors (2+ / 0-)
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      bush was planning to go without war authorization, but he got a trade, he got the authorization vote, and her vote, but he had to give Saddam a chance to say yes to inspectors. Bush was pissed he had to wait, he wanted to start it in December, long before the hot weather, and he had to wait, and he got tired of waiting and he pulled the inspectors out.

      plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

      by anna shane on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 01:25:51 PM PDT

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      •  Excuses (11+ / 0-)

        I don't know why you think that after we've all had over a decade to think about all the supposed negotiations, and watch the actual consequences, that there is any excuse for her vote to give Bush the power to invade.

        And in followup comment you say that she would kill rather frequently, acknowledging that she tried to arm the rebels in Syria who are now capturing Iraq.

        She campaigned for Lieberman after CT Democrats voted to get rid of him in the primary, against the Democratic candidate, and got him reelected for 6 more years, which he spent continuing to cheerlead for Bush's Iraq War, and some Iran War on the side. She will attack Iran as soon as she can if elected, unless Obama's negotiations (and this week's events in Iraq) make that impossible. In which case she will do something along the same lines. She's a hawk, and no inconsequential book lines about "mistakes" (that everyone else made, yadda yadda yadda) change that.

        I don't know how you can continue to support her bid to get that power, and more.

        "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

        by DocGonzo on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 02:59:52 PM PDT

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      •  You mean the inspectors that hadn't found anything (5+ / 0-)
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        yet?

        and he got tired of waiting and he pulled the inspectors out.

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        by gooderservice on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 03:23:38 PM PDT

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        •  yes, there was nothing to find (1+ / 0-)
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          so if they'd stay that's what they would have found. They were allowed in after the vote, not before. Bush had wanted to invade in December, not in March (close to summer). Then there would have been even less body amour too.  And in the words of the immortal Rummy (cause he's walking dead) 'shit happens, you go to war with the army you got.'

          If they had completed the job the rationale for the invasion would have disappeared. So, it had to happen first, if it was going to happen. And, it was going to happen.

          plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

          by anna shane on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 01:12:47 PM PDT

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    •  and I am saying what can we learn (0+ / 0-)

      I think we should not arm anyone.  Including our best friends in Israel.  Obama makes the decision to kill rather frequently.  She'd do that too.  I don't like either of them doing it.

      plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

      by anna shane on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 01:30:30 PM PDT

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      •  If you don't like it, vote against it (0+ / 0-)

        ...& stop supporting politicians that, by your own admission, act as warmongers:

        Obama makes the decision to kill rather frequently.  She'd do that too.

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        by Brown Thrasher on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 01:27:33 PM PDT

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