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  •  His explaination is made to fit (9+ / 0-)

    his viewpoint.  Don't forget Mr Tasini ran against Hillary Clinton for Senator from NY.

    I remember those days after 9/11 - She did her best for the massive injury which had been done to NYC, the markets, the people, the sheer reconstruction which would be needed.  

    My impression was that she traded her soul for the aid benefits to the state and people, that Bush & the Repuklicans threatened withholding as hostage for her vote. She no doubt realized it might come back to bite her, but she did what was needed for the state.

    She did it holding her nose, because she knew how desperate the situation was in Manhattan, and what it was going to take to recover.  And what was going to happen to the state if the economic engine of Wall Street moved or didn't recover fast enough.  

    Even Tom Reynolds, dyed in the wool Republican House Rep from upstate NY, knew how dangerous the situation was in Manhattan to the economy of the state.  I'll never forget going to a meeting with a friend who lived in his district and watching him hush the grumbling from those near Buffalo who generally spend 3 hours a day hating NYC and it's people.

    •  But that doesn't fit. (11+ / 0-)

      She said it was a mistake. She didn't claim it was a calculated political move to protect the people of her state. Had she said that at the time, she wouldn't be twisting herself into pretzels now trying to disavow her vote.

      Obi Ben Ghazi to House Republicans: "Use the Farce."

      by edg on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 02:47:12 PM PDT

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    •  I live in Manhattan and am astonished at (32+ / 0-)

      what you say. Sorry, people here do not want our fellow citizens killed  and maimed in a senseless war. Nor do they want Iraqis killed. Am insulted. We protested against it.  I have no idea how you developed this ridiculous scenario of a brave valiant Hillary selling her soul to help us.  You must have a lively imagination,

      •  My thoughts (which I dared to express) (1+ / 0-)
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        came from what she said at the time.  She clearly made statements that were the exact opposite of her vote.

        Where do you get that I now or then wanted people killed, maimed for the hang ups of GWB, Rumsfeld, Cheney, etc?

        I too protested the attacks - went to DC (Oct)  & NYC (Feb) & in upstate plus LTE and useless appeals to Republican Jim Walsh (Syracuse).  I have also lived and worked in NYC.

        This stand was at a cost of shunning and horrible accusations & name calling from my husband's family in a disagreement which lasts to this day.  They were all rah-rah Iraq war.  I suggest you go back and look at my posts from 9 years ago, here, before you get insulted.

        I have family who worked in Iraq before the US invaded, back in the 1960's, at the Univ of Baghdad.  How do you think we felt as the US Army failed to protect & hoodlums tore apart museums and libraries?

        I have as much a right to my interpretation, as you or anyone else here does.

        Furthermore, I did not agree with much that Mr Tasini said when I went to a house party to meet him.

        Must be that full moon that is making people twitchy.  Suggest you stay at home and out of traffic.  At least one plane has already dropped out of the low sky today.

    •  It's a shame her soul was traded (6+ / 0-)

      It's all too apparent she had not yet regained it when she voted for the AUMF in 2002.

      Strangely, based on her comments this Spring (that Edward Snowden should have simply engaged in whistleblower activities in the USA and that by turning over sensitive information, Snowden may have allowed terrorists to get it), her soul may not yet have been reclaimed.  

      I wonder if we'll be allowed a Democratic primary in the 2016 Presidential cycle.

    •  sorry, but that's really rather ludicrous. (0+ / 0-)

      you do, however, touch on a salient truth with regard to her "trading her soul." That seems evident; it seemed clear by her conduct during her campaign against Obama.

    •  I'm a NY'er (0+ / 0-)
      She did her best for the massive injury which had been done to NYC, the markets, the people, the sheer reconstruction which would be needed.  

      The people of NY, who'd elected her (in exchange for presumed favoritism when she was elected president) did not want to go to war in Iraq. Maybe war in Afghanistan, though I expect a majority would have preferred special operations and targeted assassinations rather than expensive war destroying the whole country and riling them all up, along with their jihadist brothers around the world (and in the boros).

      The Wall Street "economic engine" didn't need an Iraq War to "recover" - though it did want it, and Clinton gave it. The WTC planebombings didn't crash Wall Street, except maybe for a day, from which it recovered nicely. Wall Street's only real problem in 2001 was the hangover from both the Clinton Economy's excessive growth (and excessive credit), followed by the election stolen by Bush.

      She didn't hold her nose. She did it looking at the 2008 presidential campaign - the reason she became our senator.

      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

      by DocGonzo on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 07:48:42 AM PDT

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