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  •  I wondered about the al Qaeda ties. (9+ / 0-)

    I've seen that asserted but never with any documentation.
    To the media, every terrorist group has to be al Qaeda affiliated.

     I don't disbelieve it, I just wondered. A rival to al Qaeda sounds much more plausible.

    Thanks for the post.  Answered some questions I had.

    A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

    by dougymi on Mon Jun 16, 2014 at 09:22:46 AM PDT

    •  The world of al-Qaeda affiliates is very murky. (24+ / 0-)

      ISI and later ISIS were al-Qaeda affiliates for many years but began to split about 18 or so months ago as rivalries between ISIS and al-Nusrah (another al-Qaeda affiliate) developed as they battled for supremacy in Syria.

      The split deepened when they began disagreeing about who was more 'real Islamic' and who the new caliph should be.

      Last year they split and seem to have become rivals.

      It is very possible that two of the root causes of the split were who would control the money and which 'franchise' was more popular in that world.

      The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
      Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

      by InAntalya on Mon Jun 16, 2014 at 09:38:03 AM PDT

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      •  Isn't this the nature of the split between the (2+ / 0-)
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        Shiites and the Sunni's?  

        Plutocracy (noun) Greek ploutokratia, from ploutos wealth; 1) government by the wealthy; 2) 21st c. U.S.A.; 3) 22nd c. The World

        by bkamr on Mon Jun 16, 2014 at 10:21:50 AM PDT

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        •  No, ISIS, al-Qaeda, and Nusrah are all Sunni. (12+ / 0-)

          ... if I understand your question correctly.

          The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
          Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

          by InAntalya on Mon Jun 16, 2014 at 10:27:51 AM PDT

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        •  The Caliphate is a Sunni concept. Shia have a (4+ / 0-)
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          more Christian-esque view on the world, believing that the Twelfth Imam has been "occulted" (hidden from view) and will return to rule the earth at the end of days.  When there is talk of a caliphate, think Sunni (having said that, said talk usually comes only from radicals - the average Sunni on the street has much bigger problems than obscure religious doctrines).  When you hear "Ayatollah" or "Imam," think Shia.

          In a couple hundred years, the difference will be as quaint as the difference between, say, Catholics and Lutherans.  I'd like to say it'll happen in my lifetime, but... I doubt it.  But I guess the Catholics and the Protestants killed each other for hundreds of years too.  Outside of the Arab & Muslim world, particularly in smaller communities without many mosques, the differences fade out of necessity (compare to, say, in Japan, if you're Christian and not in western Japan where Christianity is more prominent, and you want to go to services, you'll go to a Catholic or Anglican service even if you're Methodist, because it's what you've got available).

          "The first drawback of anger is that it destroys your inner peace; the second is that it distorts your view of reality. If you come to understand that anger is really unhelpful, you can begin to distance yourself from anger." - The Dalai Lama

          by auron renouille on Mon Jun 16, 2014 at 02:07:53 PM PDT

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    •  We are making the word terrorism meaningless. (5+ / 0-)
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      I take it now that terrorism is any hostile action by a group with dark skin outside the United States that we disapprove of.

      At this point, wouldn't it be better to call them an insurgency or revolutionary group than terrorists?  

      Anybody with a decent remembrance from college US History of our own Revolutionary War knows about Samuel Adams (you probably drank his beer) and the early Patriot group, the Sons of Liberty, who by the current loose definition of terrorism was a full-blown terrorism, terrorizing Americans who remained sympathetic to the government (the British government -- there was no USA then, of course).  

      In return, the British authorities attempted to denigrate the Sons of Liberty by referring to them as the "Sons of Violence" or the "Sons of Iniquity."[11]
      So either the word terrorism has a real meaning -- or it's it's just another example of ad hominem name-calling, like "Sons of Violence," a way of grouping together people the administration doesn't like into a big lump with tenuous ties to 9/11 through the word if by nothing else.

      We might once have said that having a standing army means you aren't a terrorist, you are something else, maybe even something worse.  But that meaning has gone byebye.  

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