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  •  ISIS is part of a US intelligence agenda. (7+ / 0-)

    and a result of the foreign policy agenda indicated in Sy Hersh's The Redirection, and other documents.  The primary purpose is destabilization and balkanization of Iraq and Syria, still always aimed at Iran.  

    "US-NATO is involved in the recruitment, training and financing of ISIS death squads operating in both Iraq and Syria. ISIS operates through indirect channels in liaison with Western intelligence. In turn, corroborated by reports on Syria’s insurgency, Western special forces and mercenaries integrate the ranks of ISIS.

    US-NATO support to ISIS is channeled covertly through America’s staunchest allies: Qatar and Saudi Arabia. According to London’s Daily Express “They had money and arms supplied by Qatar and Saudi Arabia.”

    “through allies such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar, the West [has] supported militant rebel groups which have since mutated into ISIS and other al‑Qaeda connected militias. ( Daily Telegraph, June 12, 2014)"

    "Fragmented and confused, we have no plan to combat any of this, but are looking to be saved by the very architects of our ruination."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Mon Jun 16, 2014 at 12:22:11 PM PDT

    •  It's more complex now than that. (4+ / 0-)

      ISIS was formed as a Syrian offshoot of ISI Fighters in Iraq and went to Syria to join the anti-Assad Front. Being fanatics with combat experience, they quickly became the shock troops of the FSA, and as first in, they got the best weapons, ( donated, taken and looted), and the best comm gear and training.

      Under pressure in Iraq, the ISI was forced back into ISIS held areas in Syria, where the ISI joined up with their prodigy. Spits over power, tactics, money, focus, extremism quickly festered, as the Iraqi members and leadership had no compassion for Syria and Syrians, and the "new" ISIL fractured, with many Syrian members leaving to join the less extremist al-Nusra Front,

      And the FSA and al-Nusra started counter attacking against the ISIL gains. Shortly after, the Maliki Government used armed force to crush the peaceful Iraqi Spring protests, and suddenly, in Iraq, the Sunni Tribal pressure was off the ISIL in Sunni Iraq, while it was growing on them in Syria.

    •  OK, that's basically the pattern as I saw it (3+ / 0-)

      except that I think one needs to tease out a little more carefully what one means by "the U.S."

      My view? Neocons, some of which have official political standing as part of the government, like the CIA, and some which don't exactly, like former president GHW Bush and other neocons who gather around the Bush family, are feeding this monster through their well-established contacts in Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

      In my view, that's not what Obama and Kerry want, not that I'm thrilled with either Obama or Kerry, but it's pretty clear that neither one wants to go to war with Iran, and the fact that they're making an approach of sorts to Tehran is not, repeat not, anything a PNAC type would agree to. In my opinion.

      So I think what you've got here is part of the government, and also elements of the U.S. power structure that aren't currently part of the government, acting to pressure, nay to bludgeon, Obama and Kerry back onto the PNAC path.

      There is no way for a citizen of a Republic to abdicate his responsibilities. ---Edward R. Murrow

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Jun 16, 2014 at 09:06:42 PM PDT

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    •  Except that Iran is now taking over Iraq. (0+ / 0-)

      Word of "500" IRG troops coming to Baghdad should be read as 5,000 at a minimum. And that will be used to generate a local Army of God (Hizb Allah) formed from militias.

      An echo of Persian-ized Lebanon.

      Underestimating Qods is a continuing mistake for Western intel operations. This blunder has repeated for 30-odd years -- since CIA missed it that Iran had achieved Just Retaliation for Reagan's support of Saddam Hussein when they built the bombs for the Embassy and Marine Corps BLT Barracks in 1983.

      ISIL can take the NW of Iraq for now.

      Once Qods gets in 5 or 10 thousand troops, they can organize al-Sadr together with the other militias. That force will number 500,000 men at a minimum.

      This Shi'ia Hizb Allah will be more than happy to slaughter the ISIS/ISIL and their Sunni allies.

      Iran, Iraq, and Syria are ruled by Unintended Consequences, a god.

      See: Paul Bremer for the earthly vessel of this god 2003-2004. Also, unforgettably, Head of State for that occupation government.

      "Stealing kids' lunch money makes them strong and independent." -- after Paul "False Prophet" Ryan

      by waterstreet2013 on Tue Jun 17, 2014 at 06:18:23 AM PDT

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