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  •  All the more reason....take our party to their (16+ / 0-) 'em how it's done, and maybe lure a few more over to our side.

    We don't win much if we stay on our side of the street.  Plus, depending on the venue, it can tweak a few of the noses we most want tweaked.


    "Live with no excuses and Love with no regrets."

    by The Marti on Wed Jun 18, 2014 at 05:52:08 AM PDT

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    •  Absolutely not (2+ / 0-)
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      The Marti, mjbleo

      Number 1:  Boycotts exist for a reason.  Tourism boycotts are especially effective in places like Arizona, where the economy is utterly dependent upon the industry. Last I heard, the AZ boycott is still on.  And if it isn't, it ought to be.  

      Number 2:  the entire argument you seem to be citing is "we need to go after voters in these unfriendly places".  Those voters are never going to see the light. Never.  We don't need them, and we don't want them, either.  We don't need them because we have enough voters if we can just get our own base to turn out. The base is in fact turned off by appeals to centrism, compromise and cooperation with Republicans.  Been there, done that, over with.  It's a dead end, and only the foolish don't recognize that fact.  The only people who wave "bipartisanship" from their flag are Republicans and Blue Dogs.  Fuck 'em.  Any attempt to attract that element only turns off the base — and any Republicans who do switch parties will only turn the Democratic Party more into the Republicans that much faster.  And that won't be so great for the country, now, will it?

      Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

      by Big River Bandido on Wed Jun 18, 2014 at 03:20:01 PM PDT

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      •  I part. (2+ / 0-)
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        Big River Bandido, mjbleo

        I would never advocate a venue that wasn't either unionised or union-friendly (or well on its way to being).  AZ is not in the running, as far as I'm concerned.  As much as I love our AZ brethren...they need to get their house back in order.

        No matter whom we elect, he/she is going to be President of the entire country.  While I do not advocate the kind of conciliatory actions that got our asses roundly kicked over the last few years, I do recognise that is is not wise to further alienate those who want to come to our side.  It's lonely enough being a blue kid in a red state.  Why piss in their cornflakes?

        Yes, we need to stand up to the bullies in the Republican party and kick their asses soundly for a few years. But we don't have to be dickish about it.  (No, I am most certainly NOT calling you a dick.  Just to be very clear, here.)

        If we had our party in say, Austin, it would be a blue party in the heart of a state we have a good chance to turn....and when we get TX....we are on our way!

        I hope that clears things up a bit.  I am not advocating, in any way, bowing and scraping to the Rs and the LIEbermans of the world.  They are on their own.  

        "Live with no excuses and Love with no regrets."

        by The Marti on Wed Jun 18, 2014 at 04:32:56 PM PDT

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