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View Diary: Ux5: Shorter Maine GOP Legislator: Rape should be legal. No, seriously. (329 comments)

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  •  Hey..it's possible I could run into this guy at a (1+ / 0-)
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    Ahianne

    town hall or something.  If I ever do, I will not raise my hand and ask if he really meant to  perpetrate a reductio ad absurdum.  

    I will ask him if he really thinks we should legalize rape, and then quote what he said.  Oh sure, he'll try to wiggle out of it, but everyone in the room will leave knowing that he said it.

    •  Look carefully (1+ / 0-)
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      Jon Says

      You have probably seen another fallacious "argument" that's been going around right-wing circles.  It's the "if gay marriage is legal, then why not man<->dog marriage?"

      It is obvious to everyone that these people are not saying that man<->dog marriage should be made legal.

      This is the same form as in this diary.  We understand that these people are against gay marriage and against man<->dog marriage.

      Now IF they are successful in preventing gay marriage (and I hope they are not successful), then the very idea of man<->dog marriage is disentailed.  

      Of course we know that the entailment was wrong in the first place.  But nevertheless, the opponents of gay marriage used this horribly awkward non-material conditional as though it were an argument of some kind.  But nobody thought that they were advocating man<->dog marriage.

      In the present case, Lockman clearly wants abortion to be outlawed.  We are confident about this.

      If he gets what he wants (and I hope dearly that he doesn't), then, the very idea of "legalizing rape" is disentailed.  therefore, legalizing rape is not his desired state of affairs.  Just as is the case with man<->dog marriage.

      So if you did what you are proposing, it would be quite dishonest.  And why try to get him dishonestly, when there are so many fucked up things that he actually does believe that you could call him out on?

      For some reason you made fun of the technical terms used in semantics to describe the meaning of utterances in ordinary language.  But that's how it's done.

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