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  •  London bombing modeled after Madrid (none)
        ~ Comment originally posted Monday July 11th ~

    Madrid bombing will be model for this attack on London IMHO. Home grown terror organization with International - European leadership. Link to Al-Qaeda Ayman al-Zawahiri - see diary.

    Crucial to find out forensic evidence on explosives, detonators and timing device. This is what was uncovered very quickly in Spain, and is an indication whether investigation in London is open or another Blair white-wash.

    Which foreign forensic units are supporting Scotland Yard and who leads the investigation?

    Of course, UK parliament should take initiative and start an inquiry to the role of Tony Blair and the Iraq war blowback asap. Needs to put pressure on the Blair failures.

    No indication of any RIRA link in explosives.


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    •  London bombing modeled after Madrid (none)
      Why is it that the farther in time that we get from the London 7-7-05 bombings, the less certain are the official descriptions of the high explosives used, and the more muddled is the identity of the explosives?   Yet, they were so certain just 48 hours after the bombings.  

      After two days, July 12th, the officials and media start talking about explosives found in cars, in bathtubs, and C4 "like" explosives, rather than saying what kind of explosives were used.   You can't tell me they don't already know what the explosive's chemical make up was, and if there were taggents, they have identified those also.   I watch CSI.

      I can think of one reason to avoid discussing what kind of explosives were used; and that is if their source will be embarrassing to Blair and/or Bush.   Could it be that these explosives are from the 350 tons of Iraqi explosives that the UN told the USA about; but they were fumbled by the USA, and looted?
      "350 tonnes of explosives looted in Iraq, UN says
      Last Updated Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:43:48 EDT
      CBC News
      UNITED NATIONS - "Hundreds of tonnes of high explosives are missing and probably looted from a former Iraqi military facility, the United Nations nuclear watchdog said on Monday.
      International Atomic Energy Agency chief Mohamed ElBaradei is expected to report the missing explosives to the UN Security Council on Monday, a spokesperson told the Associated Press.
      Melissa Fleming said the Iraqi Ministry of Science and Technology had told the agency that about 350 tonnes of material was missing from the former Al Qaqaa military installation - once a key facility in Saddam Hussein's efforts to build a nuclear bomb.   Included in the missing material are HMX and RDX, the New York Times reported on Monday. Those explosives can be used to demolish buildings, but can also be used to produce warheads for missiles and detonate nuclear weaponry."

      The news reports right after the 7-7 bombings said the explosives used in London are "military grade", but do not identify the type.   The investigators must know what kind were used by now, and probably have even identified the taggants from the explosives.   Is this being covered up?

      The following are a random sampling of excerpts from news reports GOOGLed about the London 7-7 bombings.   Notice they do not say what type of explosives was used, yet they don't really say they don't know.  Many stated unequivocally the first two days after the bombing that they were "military grade".  But now there is more talk about what types of explosives that were found in cars and bathtubs... not the actual explosives that were used.  

      Sunday, Jul 10, 2005,Page 1
      The three bombs that exploded on the London underground railway were made of high explosives, not homemade material -- and blew up within seconds of each other in a near-simultaneous attack, police said yesterday.
      Forensic evidence was still being examined, but the type of explosives suggested a degree of sophistication. The material could have been military or commercial.
      "It is high explosive," Deputy Assistant Commissioner Brian Paddick said at a Metropolitan Police briefing yesterday. "That would tend to suggest that it is not homemade explosive, but whether it is military explosive, whether it's commercial explosive, whether it's plastic explosive, we don't want to say at this stage."

      He does NOT say "whether it's plastic explosive, we don't know"

      July 11, 2005
      Explosives Used by Terrorists in London and Tel Aviv Identical
      18:16 Jul 11, '05 / 4 Tammuz 5765
       ( Israel police have revealed that the explosives used in the multi-pronged terrorist attack in London last week were materially identical to the explosives used by two British Muslim suicide bombers who struck in Tel Aviv more than a year ago.
      It is unknown at this time if the apparent explosives link points to an Israel-based connection, or if it points to a common source of materiel outside both the UK and Israel.

      12 July, 2005
      Explosives found in car,,2-10-1854_1736622,00.html
      12/07/2005 22:36  - (SA)  
      London - Explosives have been found in a car identified by police as being linked to last Thursday's London terror attacks, reports Sky News.
      At least 52 people died in the attacks.
      Police evacuated Luton railway station after being alerted to the suspicious vehicle on Tuesday.
      Four controlled explosions were carried out on the car after a 100m cordon had been placed around the station and its car park. Detectives later identified a second suspect car in Leighton Buzzard, Bedfordshire.

      What does this have to do with the London 7-7 bombings?

      13 July, 2005
      Boston Herald
      Investigators have not said who they believe made the military- grade explosives or whether the four bombers had outside help.

      13 July, 2005
      London explosives have military origin:-
      LONDON | July 13, 2005 5:11:41 PM IST
      Traces of the explosive known as C4 were found at all four blast sites, and The Times of London said Scotland Yard considers it vital to determine if they were part of a terrorist stockpile.
      C4 is manufactured mostly in the United States, and is more deadly and efficient than commercial varieties. It is easy to hide, stable, and is often missed by traditional bomb-sniffing detection systems, the newspaper said.
      Forensic scientists told the newspaper the construction of the four devices detonated in London was very technically advanced, and unlike any instructions that can be found on the Internet.

      13 July 2005  
      Al Qaeda suspect in London bombings
      A Syrian-born al Qaeda terrorist with a $US5 million bounty on his head was last night being sought in connection with the London bombings. The Times reported that a single bomb maker using military-grade explosives was most probably responsible for all the bombs. Police had found similar components at all four sites.
      Investigators believed that the rucksack bombs contained smuggled, military-grade explosives, possibly brought in from the Balkans.
      "The nature of the explosives appears to be military, which is very worrying," said Christophe Chaboud, who is head of France's anti-terrorism police and helping the inquiry.

      The New Zealand Herald
      LONDON - The bombs used in the terrorist attacks on London were of "military origin", says a senior French policeman sent to the city to help in what has become the biggest criminal investigation in British history.
      Christophe Chaboud, head of the French Anti-Terrorism Co-ordination Unit, told the newspaper Le Monde that the explosives' military source was "very worrying".
      "We're more used to [terror] cells making home-made explosives with chemicals," he said.
      "How did they get them? Either by trafficking, for example, in the Balkans, or they had someone on the inside who enabled them to get out of the military establishment."

      July 13, 2005 (UPI)
      London explosives have military origin ons.xml
      LONDON, July 13 (UPI) -- Scotland Yard has asked for European cooperation in finding how last week's London subway and bus bombers obtained military plastic explosives.

      July 15, 2005
      London Explosives
      The Investigation: Police Ask Public to Help Trace a Bomber; Homemade Explosive Is Now Hinted
      Published: July 15, 2005- New York Times
      "The officials, speaking in return for anonymity because the investigation is continuing, said the material found in the home was TATP, a highly volatile explosive. While TATP is made of easily obtained chemicals, it takes a certain expertise to turn them into an explosive mix."

      What does this have to do with the 7-7 bombings?  Is TATP what was used?  No one has said that, to my knowledge.

      July 15, 2005
      Chemistry grad linked to London bombings denies involvement
      Last Updated Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:41:10 EDT
      CBC News
      It's believed he may be connected to a cache of explosives found in a bathtub in a house in Leeds. Police recently searched the home, ordering neighbours to leave the area.
      Detectives who searched el-Nashar's flat found signs that quantities of a compound called TATP, or triacetone triperoxide, had been converted into a powerful explosive, the Times of London reported.
      Forensic investigators are testing the explosives found in the house to find out if they match traces of explosives found at the London blast sites.

      But does `he' have anything to do with the London 7-7 bombers?  I know they must follow out every lead, but doesn't anyone know what type of explosives were actually used in the 7-7 bombings?

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