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  •  Call me burning with curiosity... (5+ / 0-)

    The macrobiotic people and the "reputable" scientific consensus on diet people and the raw food people and the paleolithic diet people and the low-carb people and the...have I left anybody out?

    They ALL say you're supposed to eat greens. Your diet is supposed to EMPHASIZE greens.

    What kind of diet disallows greens???

    Notwithstanding, having this week lost a friend, in large part, to kidney failure, it is nothing you want. Good luck in negotiating your challenges.

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Thu Jun 19, 2014 at 07:42:47 PM PDT

    •  That is What the Nephrologist Said. (7+ / 0-)

      When she handed me a printed guide to food potassium content her first words were to the effect that I was going to find this a bit counter-intuitive, since I will be avoiding may foods generally regarded as the healthiest stuff you can eat.

      "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." John Kenneth Galbraith

      by LeftOfYou on Thu Jun 19, 2014 at 08:35:53 PM PDT

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      •  There's no such thing as counter-intuitive when it (3+ / 0-)
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        comes to food. I've noticed a big increase in kidney problems lately and it couldn't be from gluten. My grandfather's generation ate gluten coming out their eyeballs and they didn't have kidney problems. In fact they didn'nt have any problems with any of the ailments that are showing up today. Something else if fucking everyone up.

        "It's no measure of health being well adjusted to a profoundly sick society"

        by buckshot face on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 09:50:45 AM PDT

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        •  One can't help but be suspicious. nt (0+ / 0-)

          "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." John Kenneth Galbraith

          by LeftOfYou on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 11:16:17 AM PDT

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        •  chronic kidney disease (CKD), if rising (0+ / 0-)

          could easily be related to an increase in the incidence of diabetes. I don't dispute your observation, I just don't have numbers (incidence rates, history or trends) at hand.

          But I do recall that DMII is considered to have reached epidemic proportions, and rising, along with obesity. Diabetes begins to cause tissue damage very early, before symptoms are noticed, diagnosis is made, and treatment/management is begun. Those who have been told that they're pre-diabetic may already be sustaining tissue damage, quietly, as well. Fortunately, lifestyle changes, as hard as they are to adopt, are possible and effective, and may prevent full-blown DM, or even reverse dependence on insulin for those that do develop the disease.

          CKD is one of the most common secondary diseases (and IIRC, causes of death, ultimately) among diabetics: diabetes stresses the kidneys, partly due to effects on small blood vessels, and is much worsened by comorbid hypertension (another "silent" disease, one I believe is on the rise, as well).

          Adding flames to the kidneys' fire, often, is hyper- cholesterolemia (another disease of the well-fed, for the most part).

          Worldwide incidence is increasing of these diseases - it's not just the US - as developing countries' conditions improve, more technology is used, and more sedentary, overfed lifestyles become increasingly prevalent. WHO has information on the disease burdens of "affluence" in various international locations, as does CDC, for the US; with trend projections.

          All in all, a perfect storm. One that may support your contention that it couldn't all be from gluten (although non-tropical celiac is a real thing, and not to be underestimated either; I just don't think it's as prevalent as the gluten-free fad might suggest. OTOH, reduced gluten isn't gonna hurt anyone, and spelt bread is awesome.)

          Sorry if this comment is overly long and pedantic, as well as absent suitable citations, and somewhat oversimplified (leaving out the effects of an aging US population, e.g.); it's based on my education and experience, and offered in hopes of being helpful. I think it's also consistent with accepted medical consensus, in broad brush-strokes, at least.

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