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  •  In your opinion (5+ / 0-)

    and choice of course. But, please don't tell the rest of NY how they can ingest their medicine. I believe they are capable of making responsible decisions on their own.
    Researchers have tried and tried to prove smoked cannabis causes harm, but they've hard a rough time of it. While they found some carcinogens, like in tobacco-they also found Protectants within the plant as well.

    I follow this issue fairly closely and I have never heard of any Lung Cancer Death attributable to smoked cannabis and if Anyone ever did? The headlines would Scream it from the tallest mountain....just to say "I told you so".

    Imo and regardless of the issue-this "compromise" is more Big Nanny State Govt. interfering in the relationship between a patient and his/her physician.

    •  Well...just legalize it then... (0+ / 0-)

      and be honest about it. Don't hide behind this silly "medicinal" claim.

      •  silly my ass. (8+ / 0-)

        A friend had glioblastoma multiforme, an aggressive brain cancer.  Ultimately it led to her death.  But while she was going through treatment, she used marijuana to reduce nausea and maintain a normal appetite.

        Another friend had astrocytoma, a form of brain cancer that's highly treatable.  He's now in remission, five years clear of disease.  While he was going through treatment, he used marijuana for the same reasons.  

        Another friend has cluster headaches, also known as "suicide headaches," because the pain is so intense.  Cluster headaches are to migraines as the H-bomb is to the A-bomb. Marijuana stops his cluster headaches in seconds.

        All of them SMOKED it.  Eating it takes an hour to take effect.  How would you like to endure horrible nausea and vomiting for a solid hour, or the feeling that your head is about to explode like a bomb for a solid hour?  Try it some time and then get back to us about the "evils" of smoking something as opposed to eating it.

        Vaporizers are needlessly complicated technology.  They depend on batteries, they can break if they're dropped, they require the material in specific forms to be vaporized.

        Nothing is as simple as a little container of pot and a pipe and a lighter.  No jumping through hoops, no agonized waiting, no risk of taking too much and ending up on a "trip," no risk of discovering a dead battery at the worst possible moment.

        How dare anyone insist on other people suffering needless agony?  

        Sure, let's legalize recreational marijuana as well.  But let's be damn clear that there is a difference between someone having a few puffs to relax with friends, and someone having a few puffs because otherwise they'll puke their guts out or endure pain too intense for words to describe.

        Really: If you're against people smoking pot to relieve pain and nausea, try subjecting yourself to that degree of pain and nausea, and then tell us what you think.  

        As in, if you don't think waterboarding is torture, try getting yourself waterboarded on camera and then tell us about it.

        We got the future back. Uh-oh.

        by G2geek on Thu Jun 19, 2014 at 04:43:05 PM PDT

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        •  I could sprinkle aspirin on my rolling tobacco.... (0+ / 0-)

          and maybe get faster relief for my migraine, but no one does that. If marijuana didn't also produce a high, this wouldn't be an argument. Smoking just shouldn't be a way to deliver a drug. We will just disagree on this one.

        •  Because in Oregon at least (1+ / 0-)
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          This is how they "dare".
          There is a long held common belief that somehow, medical cannabis patients are not legitimate medical consumers of cannabis medicines and there-fore deserve to be treated differently for choosing this particular botanical medicine. This belief has created a grave situation for a specific minority of Oregonians participating in the OMMP. This situation is getting completely out of control.  It is one we can no longer ignore. These beliefs are evidenced by the passage of numerous restrictive, seemingly biased laws, rules and policies, over the years, targeting Oregon Medical Marijuana Program participants who are systematically excluded from the broader over-all health care discussions going on all around the state. As other health care benefits are expanded and extended-the OMMP is being regressed through unreasonable obstruction for access. We are told these laws are meant to protect us, society, and as frequently highlighted; “Our Kids”. But how does denying safe, controlled, regulated access to cannabis medicines actually protect us and our children?
          Where is credible evidence of harm and incidents that might help us understand exactly what we are being protected from?
          BIGOTRY and DISCRIMINATION: Participants in this specific program have endured and indeed suffered for nearly 17 years now. They have been ignored, dismissed. demoralized, openly disrespected, demeaned, fired, evicted, imprisoned, harassed, punished in the court of public opinion and labeled as “criminals/dopers/druggies/stoners/derelicts” and worse. I have observed many high level officials, administrators and lawmakers snark and joke at our expense, parents have had their children removed and families are torn apart, all because of a choice to use an efficacious alternative botanical medication. To my knowledge there is no other health care program where law enforcement plays such an active role in determining time, place and manner for medical care, titration etc that would normally be ours and our qualified medical providers decision.
          SEGREGATION: All patients can acquire OTC Drugs, Oxycodone, Heart medications, Insulin and thousands of other potentially deadly medicines, safely, legally and privately in a pharmacy, yet access to cannabis medication is banned, prohibited, restricted, separated and isolated away from mainstream medical supply systems. For the past 17 years OMMP registrants have been caught in a “Catch-22”. OMMP patients pay an annual fee to the State of Oregon in order to be exempted from prosecution for possession. However, as I understand the law, lawfully registered patients receive no exemption from arrest, prosecution and possible incarceration if caught illegally Buying Cannabis from the criminal market. How can there be such different legal standards applied to all people who are in need of medical care? How can such discriminatory practice be sanctioned by law?  Can you tell me of any other health care program that requires one to pay a "protection" fee to the state to receive a legal exemption from drug laws or any other program where-as patients getting medical treatment have no other recourse but to violate drug laws by being Forced to use the Criminal Market in order to acquire their medicine?
          The OMMP (Oregon Medical Marijuana Program) is but one Health Care Program in Oregon's massive health care system, each addressing a myriad of medical needs for tens-of-thousands of Oregonians. Specifically, why are patients in the OMMP regarded as a danger to society?
          These silent consequence of laws, rules and policies, intended or not, leads us to the worn out excuse of "Public Safety".
          It is past time to employ common sense policies based upon science, understanding, acceptance and compassion, but first we must be willing to let go of 80 years of misleading, incredible, hyperbolic information and stigmatism surrounding Cannabis Therapeutics. Those who navigate the harsh realities of the OMMP VS Drug laws in consideration of their own medical/health care decisions, wholly understand; The most dangerous element surrounding the issue(s) of cannabis, whether for personal or medical purpose, are the laws, rules and policies governing its use.

        •  Smoking vs Eating (0+ / 0-)

          Seems to me that for the chemo patient suffering from severe nausea eating something with pot in it would be self-defeating; wouldn't they throw it up before it could take effect?

          It's a travesty that glaucoma isn't in the list of qualifying conditions  under the new law. It's been widely known for 20-30 years that marijuana is the most effective treatment for that. In fact, that was the first condition for which it was found to be effective. Immediate relief.

          My state (Washington) got wise and just legalized recreational use. There were so many people getting medical marijuana cards who had no real treatable conditions, anyway. Not that we waited for the state to do it, we did it ourselves.

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