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  •  electrification is the way to go (0+ / 0-)

    There is no easy route towards carbon-neutral fuels, but people can just buy electric appliances.  Solar panels on the roof (and a little rooftop wind turbine when it's stormy) and an electric stove, an electric oven, an electric washer and dryer, a combined solar/electric water heater, and electric radiant heating in the floor, and you've basically eliminated residential use of fossil fuels.

    Hell, if I were dictator I'd have the government simply pay the full cost of purchase and installation to do away with the whole amortization trap.

    Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

    by Visceral on Mon Jun 23, 2014 at 03:26:28 PM PDT

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    •  not really... (0+ / 0-)

      ...unless you store energy for nighttime and winter usage.  Otherwise you are using grid energy part of the time, so your co2 footprint depends on the grid mix, solar panels or no.

      Obama is still my guy.

      by AKguy on Mon Jun 23, 2014 at 03:49:00 PM PDT

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      •  Not really. (0+ / 0-)

        If you sell power during the day, then you're cleaning up other people's act by an equivalent amount that you're consuming dirty power when you have to buy from the grid. It averages out if you average out.

        The day I'll consider justice blind is the day that a rape defendant's claim of "She consented to the sex" is treated by the same legal standards as a robbery defendant's claim of "He consented to give me the money": as an affirmative defense.

        by Rei on Tue Jun 24, 2014 at 05:18:18 AM PDT

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      •  True, but the grid will be regulated under this (1+ / 0-)
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        Otherwise you are using grid energy part of the time, so your co2 footprint depends on the grid mix, solar panels or no.
        decision, so the carbon footprint of the grid supply will also be falling.  

        Grid power for night and winter use promotes wind turbines as a low-carbon source.  Wind also costs less than nuclear, coal, and natural gas, so the high-carbon sources have two reasons to be shut down.  Solar is still marginally more expensive than coal, nukes, and some but not all natural gas.  

        "My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right." -- Sen Carl Schurz 1872

        by Calamity Jean on Tue Jun 24, 2014 at 11:50:21 AM PDT

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