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  •  i think it's uphill either way (0+ / 0-)

    while there might be a path for Childres against Cochran, I agree it's slightly tougher than against McDaniel.  My point is more that the risk of McDaniel in the Senate outweighs McDaniel's marginal weakness as a general election candidate relative to Cochran.  I also think Cochran might be more vulnerable than some pundits credit in a general, but he'll draw funding McDaniel wouldn't, to Childers' detriment.  The case for supporting McDaniel in the runoff i think overstates Cochran's strength, and underestimates the differences between the two as a senator.  At least Cochran shuts up.  Neoconfederacy is just a bridge to far for me to play games with crossing over, and it's a better strategy in purple states than Miss.  

    Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

    by Loge on Mon Jun 23, 2014 at 12:59:58 PM PDT

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    •  it's not slightly tougher (2+ / 0-)
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      I'm not going to tell someone they shouldn't vote for Cochran in the run-off if they want, but we need to be real here. We have no chance against Cochran. Childers even didn't want to run against Cochran:

      Late last year, Childers said he would wait to make a decision on the race until after Cochran announced whether he would seek another term — and even suggested that he’d prefer not to run against Cochran. Even though Cochran decided to run again, it is currently unclear if the senator will win his party’s nomination.
      Dems widely acknowledge that we couldn't beat Cochran:
      Cochran's fundraising ability, powerful Senate committee assignments and very high approval ratings mean that he was dubbed "unbeatable".[2] Mississippi Democratic Party Chairman Rickey Cole said that "in the very likely event that he does [run], we don't foresee a major Democratic challenger emerging."
      Childers has barely raised any money yet, because potential contributors are waiting to see if he has a shot, meaning if Cochran loses the run-off.

      Keeping Cochran in the senate may be better than the small chance we'd have of winning the seat against McDaniels, but lets not delude ourselves into thinking that we have even a tiny chance against Cochran. If Cochran wins the run-off Childers might as well suspend his campaign.

      We no longer ask if a man has integrity, but if he has talent. - Rousseau, Discourse on the arts and sciences

      by James Allen on Mon Jun 23, 2014 at 01:12:21 PM PDT

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      •  The race has exposed Cochran (0+ / 0-)

        as basically senile, and there will be bad blood from the runoff with the tea party.  I do think we lose either way, but the case for Cochran's invincibility is overstated, as are McDaniel's weakness in the general.  It's all at the margin.  

        Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

        by Loge on Mon Jun 23, 2014 at 01:41:58 PM PDT

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        •  Speaking as a Southerner from a state ... (1+ / 0-)
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          very similar to Mississippi, South Carolina, I strongly disagree.

          How many times was Strom Thurmond re-elected handily, long after he should have retired?  That would be several.

          How many times has Mississippi re-elected a senator in their seventy's or eighties? That would be several.

          He may look vulnerable now, but you will not beat Cochran in a general election. The Tealiban will always support an R over a D, but a segment of the 'establishment' will stay home/skip that race/vote Childers if McDaniel is the nominee.

             

          •  yes, and as i said, (0+ / 0-)

            I do think we lose either way.  

            The point is, given the degree to which McDaniel is worse (per the fucking story in the diary), the marginal beat-ability of McDaniel over Cochran is not so grea as to be worth supporting him in the run-off .  This has two parts:  (a) McDaniel probably wins on party ID alone; and (b) Cochran is not some dynamo.  You pedants are getting hung up on point 2 sub b, but if it's all the same, i'm happy to see what we can do to support Childers in the general either way, but he has to do the first lifting himself.

            Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

            by Loge on Mon Jun 23, 2014 at 03:31:33 PM PDT

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