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  •  WFP = Suckers (1+ / 0-)
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    "When dealing with terrorism, civil and human rights are not applicable." Egyptian military spokesman.

    by Paleo on Wed Jun 25, 2014 at 04:06:46 PM PDT

    •  Not so much suckers, but weak. (0+ / 0-)

      The could have made Cuomo hurt if they had a candidate. They put the cart before the horse.

      •  If Teachout makes it (0+ / 0-)

        onto the Democratic ballot as she's attempting to do, we may yet see him get stung somewhat.

        He'll clearly win the primary, but Teachout being on that ballot will put to rest the question of whether or not she was the kind of candidate that could have drawn enough voters away to make him bleed and embarrass him.

        I still lean towards thinking the WFP made the wrong move, and was more concerned about maintaining the power of Dan Cantor and it's leadership then it was about being true to their professed ideals.  Embarrassing Cuomo with a Teachout nomination would have generated press for months in this state, because the political press was completely enamored with the idea of Cuomo having a progressive challenger from the WFP.  Meanwhile, they practically ignore his progressive challenger from the Greens.

        I know you disagree with me on this, but I really think the difference boiled down to press coverage, not name recognition, and the Capitol press corps seemed to have a hard-on for the storyline (from their viewpoint) of Cuomo getting challenged by unions - which means I think it would have spilled into mainstream stories quite a bit that would see wider coverage than simply the states political blogsphere.  This is why Cuomo and his team feared it so much and scrambled to ensure they got the WFP nod.

        If she gets on the Democratic primary ballot, it may yet generate that same level of coverage, and may yet lead to Cuomo suffering an embarrassing challenge.  He would ultimately prevail, but if Teachout were to pull a sizable part of the primary vote, it will demonstrate how weak he is to his left in his home state, and likely embarrass him nationally if the national punditsphere decides to run with the story.

        "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

        by Darth Stateworker on Wed Jun 25, 2014 at 05:02:55 PM PDT

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        •  Shes not a serious candidate. (0+ / 0-)

          Nobdoys going to vote for her who doesnt already know her. And its way too late forbher to get known, even if she were a real politician.

          •  Your comment (1+ / 0-)
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            completely dismisses or ignores what I just said.

            Press coverage matters. Immensely.  And the Capitol press corps wants that story.  They like drama, because it increases their web traffic and print readership, and increases viewership for TV news and opinion programs such as NY Now, Capitol Tonight, and Inside City Hall.  The more an item is discussed in that universe, the more it ends up in more mainstream news and TV reporting as well.  This isn't something that would play out in a vacuum.

            You seem to be forgetting that the news is much more a business today, and requires sensationalized stories to draw readership/viewership to survive.  This would be one of those kind of stories.

            You also seem to be forgetting who turns out for primary votes - largely those who are more engaged in politics in the first place.

            You are welcome to your opinion on the matter, but I don't think you've thought it out very well.

            "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

            by Darth Stateworker on Wed Jun 25, 2014 at 06:12:43 PM PDT

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            •  lol. Youre gonna lose. Huge. nt (0+ / 0-)
              •  Your repeated (1+ / 0-)
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                immature, low information responses to well reasoned arguments doesn't really say much about your debate skills.  Clearly, defending your positions isn't really possible, and you're well aware of that.

                I'd tell you to quit while you're behind, but we both know that's not going to happen.  So I suppose it's best for me to bow out instead simply to save myself the frustration of arguing with someone who chooses to be obstinate.

                Have a good evening.

                "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

                by Darth Stateworker on Wed Jun 25, 2014 at 06:22:50 PM PDT

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