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  •  The rise of the hard right in Europe (8+ / 0-)

    is continuing and this is the result. Not too long ago in France they revoked citizenship for a large number of Roma(gypsies, to use the derogatory term) and then kicked them out of the country. Ethno-nationalism is poison everywhere.

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    by AoT on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 07:37:40 AM PDT

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    •  it's a vicious circle (0+ / 0-)

      The rise of the hard right is driven in part by increasing refugee numbers, supplemented by the belief that European governments do more for refugees than they do for their own people, even within the context of Europe's generous welfare states.

      Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

      by Visceral on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 08:58:41 AM PDT

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      •  It's mostly driven by austerity (6+ / 0-)

        and the resulting economic slump. The refugees are just a scapegoat.

        And the idea that Governments care more for refugees is absurd and would only be taken seriously when there are other factors present.

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        by AoT on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:02:02 AM PDT

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        •  that's not entirely true (0+ / 0-)

          Refugees genuinely have an easier time getting into European countries than do economic immigrants; they don't have to know the language or have a job waiting for them in order to qualify for residency.  In spite of this they still get the full welfare state package: free housing (especially free housing; Europe is expensive), free food, free healthcare, free education, etc.

          It's seen as fundamentally unfair for refugees to get for free what both economic immigrants and native-born citizens alike have to work and pay high taxes for.  The utterly uncritical attitude towards refugees - and immigrants of any kind - attributed to the European left and to the Establishment (a la teabaggers) is seen as not only inviting systematic abuse, but as encouraging immigration in and of itself and in particular the immigration of the people in the worst shape with the least to offer.

          That European immigrant (and native-born minority) communities are poorly assimilated even by American standards only complicates the issue further, and what makes it worse is the widespread belief that the European left doesn't believe that immigrants and/or minorities should assimilate, but that they have the right to live how they want and that the rest of society has a moral obligation to not only tolerate this, but to support it with legislation.

          Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

          by Visceral on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:36:44 AM PDT

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    •  Or (0+ / 0-)

      Or it could be that this is one of the reasons that the hard right is rising.

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      by Zornorph on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:01:35 AM PDT

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      •  The rise of the hard right is tied to (3+ / 0-)
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        economic problems stemming from austerity and the complicity of the center left, and sometimes the socialists, in implementing austerity, as well as the hard right being one of the few places that people have to oppose further EU integration.

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        by AoT on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:06:28 AM PDT

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        •  Well (0+ / 0-)

          I think it's pretty clear that objection to immigration is one of the main things that is driving people to vote for those parties. Exhibit A:

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          by Zornorph on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:09:00 AM PDT

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          •  If that were the case then the hard right (3+ / 0-)
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            would have risen well before now. The issue of refugees is not remotely a new issue and nothing has significantly changed in regards to the issue. What has changed is economic conditions and the growth of the EU.

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            by AoT on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:11:27 AM PDT

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            •  We won't agree (0+ / 0-)

              I don't claim it's the only reason and of course there are other things as well, but listening to the language of parties like UKIP, the National Front and even Golden Dawn, it's a big part of what they speak about (in varying degrees, I don't mean to suggest UKIP and Golden Dawn are identical parties - there's a wide range among these groups).

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              by Zornorph on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:16:52 AM PDT

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              •  It can't be a major reason at all (0+ / 0-)

                The hard right has been pushing this nonsense for decades, the fact that they're just now rising means that it must be something else. Nothing has changed in regards to this issue, which means that it can't be the driving issue. It's the economic problems that lead to people identifying this as a problem. If it hadn't been for the austerity and economic crash then these parties would get no traction.

                No War but Class War

                by AoT on Fri Jun 27, 2014 at 09:21:07 AM PDT

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