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  •  we notice that they SAY (7+ / 0-)

    they don't want to make babies but in practice they don't do much to avoid it.  "it doesn't feel as good with a condom" and won't use one, "i got fixed" but he didn't, "we'll be careful" but arent.  if men wanted to make birth control a priority, it would be the law of the land, available in vending machines in bars, freely available.  but they don't, it isn't and it won't be.  some men may side with women on health issues but most of them can't be bothered with women's rights, it just not as important as being men.

    "I am an old woman, named after my mother. my old man is another child who's grown old." John Prine (not an old woman)

    by art ah zen on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 10:48:01 AM PDT

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    •  The key to this is to raise our male (2+ / 0-)
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      children differently. I taught my son that it takes two to get a girl pregnant so birth control was just as much his responsibility as hers, and that if he did get a girl pregnant and she chose to have the child, he would support it.

      He learned the lesson well since he will turn 45 this year and while having been in two serious long term relationships, one still in progress, he has yet to give me a grandchild!

      Live so that when your children think of fairness, caring and integrity, they think of you. H. Jackson Brown, Jr.

      by Ellen Columbo on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 11:29:57 AM PDT

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      •  agree completely! (1+ / 0-)
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        and good on both of you for doing what is right.  my daughter is 30, no children.  it would be ok with me if it turned out i never have grandchildren.

        "I am an old woman, named after my mother. my old man is another child who's grown old." John Prine (not an old woman)

        by art ah zen on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 11:47:52 AM PDT

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    •  You are over generalizing . . . (0+ / 0-)

      some men, no doubt, correspond to that description but far more do not -- if for no other reason than not wanting to be sued for paternity, assuming you are convinced that all men are scum. Notice also that lots of people are married to people of the opposite sex, and make joint decisions about having children.

      •  not all men are scum (0+ / 0-)

        as not all women need birth control.  take as needed.  

        "I am an old woman, named after my mother. my old man is another child who's grown old." John Prine (not an old woman)

        by art ah zen on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 12:21:03 PM PDT

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