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  •  Single Payer is a pipe dream right now (0+ / 0-)

    Not happening in this Amerika.  We need to totally change the system to ever have a chance at single payer.  We're talking about decades (potentially) of economic evolution that is needed to transform the system and build new democratic (with a small"d") institutions that will take the place of unions (being killed off as we speak).

    Of course you are right that this couldn't happen in a single payer system.  But that's all academic right now.

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Riane Eisler

    by noofsh on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 11:14:33 AM PDT

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    •  The Democrats could have done it. (0+ / 0-)

      They chose not to. They chose not to even let it be discussed, which is indefensible, as far as I'm concerned.

      They didn't receive one single vote from the GOP for the bill as it was, which was quite conservative. They passed the ACA with all Dem votes.

      Which means they could have passed Single Payer, too, if they wanted to.

      They obviously didn't want to.

      IMO, they can't blame the GOP for that. That's on them. They could have, if the GOP were the deciding factor in the voting, one way or another. But they had nothing to do with the passage of the ACA.

      •  Max Baucus, more specifically (1+ / 0-)
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        Nothing got out of committee that he didn't want, and he definitely was not going to let single payer see the light of day, especially when he(like Obama) spent way too much time trying to find a compromise with Repubs who were never going to vote for any reform in the end.

        •  Very true. Max Baucus, conservative. (0+ / 0-)

          It kills me when folks on the right call the Dems far left, or the ACA far left, or Obama far left.

          They wouldn't know the far left if it bit them on the ass.

          The Dem leadership is decidedly center-right, as is Obama, at least in the way he's governed, outside of a few issues like DADT.

          "Conservatives" really should be dancing in the streets, cuz Obama is a true conservative on most issues, and the Dem leadership either goes along or leads in that regard.

          IMO, the Republicans are to the right of conservative, and the Dems have taken over the conservative part of the spectrum, tragically.

          This hurts all of us. And the planet.

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