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  •  Honest question (1+ / 0-)
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    Why is it that the issue of illegal immigration is so closely tied up with the Latino vote?

    Obviously, some people's opposition to illegal immigration is motivated by anti-Latino sentiment.  But surely we can't say that about Obama.  So why would action he takes against illegal immigrants from Latin America be considered a huge negative among Latino citizens?

    •  It's not (0+ / 0-)

      The term is too amorphous to have any real meaning.

      by DAISHI on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 12:13:06 PM PDT

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    •  because the current immigration system (6+ / 0-)

      sets absurdly low quotas from latin america relative to demand, and makes it incredibly difficult for people both to migrate across the border for work, as well as to become citizens.

      a significant amount of latino families have a complex mix of national and immigration statuses, so the effect ends up more personal than one would expect just looking at the raw numbers. and as you pointed out, the right wing screaming about immigration is basically just outright racial animus towards latinos as an undifferentiated class, and latinos are as good as hearing the dog whistles as the racist whites said whistles were intended for.

      that obama is trying to split the distance on this rightfully reads as a betrayal, and is boneheaded politics IMO.

      •  This congress is UNLIKELY to raise quotas. (0+ / 0-)

        Even when the Dems were in charge of both houses, we didn't touch quotas.  Quotas haven't been changed in DECADES.

        •  yes. that is why the system's broken (3+ / 0-)
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          you have a party that advocates for racist pogroms, and a party that advocates for the perpetuation a broken status quo with rhetorical concessions to the xenophobes, but few elected advocates for a system that would actually work.

          i expect that this will change over time as a younger and more immigrant-linked (not only latino, but asian as well) dem primary electorate emerges, but it is painful to watch elected dems actively work to woo the right at the expense of wooing their future majority. both dumb and cruel.

    •  As an outsider, I don't claim to know.. (2+ / 0-)
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      ..but my guess would be that if you select a specific issue to go extra-obviously-overboard on, there is assumed to be a hidden agenda driving the issue.

      We have entire industries (like banking, investing, energy, and manufacturing) who break laws like they were breaking eggs.. and nary a whisper of 'special enforcement' or 'national verification databases' or 'terrorist threats'.  But we do over immigration.  

      I can certainly understand folks asking 'Why?'

      Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed: everything else is public relations. - George Orwell

      by Wayward Son on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 12:17:58 PM PDT

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    •  Because it's hard to find (1+ / 0-)
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      a Latino family that has not been here for generations that doesn't know someone who has been screwed over by the system.  Those who don't have to deal with it have no idea how screwed up it is.  Parents who have been here for 15 or 20 years get deported, leaving their US citizen children behind - 250,000 children in Mexico don't speak Spanish and are in special language classes in Mexico because their parents were deported.  

      It is terribly easy to be deported, for something as minor as a traffic ticket.  The Obama Administration was supposed to slow enforcement except for "criminal aliens".  This has not really happened.  True, more "criminal aliens" are being deported than ever, but at the same time overall detention numbers have gone from 250,000 annually under Bush to >400,000 annually under Obama.

      People who have built lives here, who have children here, can easily end up getting 10 year bars to re-entry, even for visits.  The system splits so many families.  Latinos see this, because it affects their neighbors and relatives.

      And... the hate toward Latino immigrants affects those who are not recent immigrants, too.  The profiling, the assumptions, the antipathy, all of that pisses off many Latino voters, including some who have been here since before Mexico was independent from Spain.

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 01:44:12 PM PDT

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