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  •  Exactly (7+ / 0-)

    Most people of common sense realize that without some form of border security enhancement we will be right back here in 30 years with another batch of huge undocumented people that need some form of amnesty just as we are now after St. Ronnie in 1986 that dealt with immigration the first time.

    The reason people are rightfully concerned about border security is that after we make the current 13 million illegals legal, what are we doing to make sure we aren't going to have to do the same thing again in the future so we don't have another group of 10-20 million illegals that need to be made legal.

    What is the point of having any immigration laws if we just make everyone that snuck in legal every 20-30 years when it reaches a critical mass?

    At some point we need to figure out how we avoid the problem in the future after we take care of the current group. That is going to come through enhanced border security to ensure we don't keep getting these huge hoards of people here illegally that need to be made legal because there are too many to realistically deport.

    •  Exactly (3+ / 0-)
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      I dont know what the argument is against what you have said.

      I'm all for a path to citizenship for people who are here. I'm all for making it easier for people to come here legally, especially those who are living in countries wracked by violence.

      But I just cant be outrage that people trying to come here illegally would be turned away from the border. And I dont think most people are outraged by it either.

    •  i dunno (4+ / 0-)
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      just throwing open the doors and letting people become americans worked well enough for my ancestors. then again, they were from europe, so i guess it's different (although the bill o'reilly's of their day railed about how they were wrecking the american character with their presence, so i guess not that much has changed)

      personally, if you really want to stop migrant labor flows, stop fucking up the small farmer and working class economies abroad with neoliberal free trade agreements, and most people will be happy to stay home and make a living in their own countries. the push factors are bigger than the pull ones, IMO.

    •  The border is not broken... (2+ / 0-)
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      nmjardine, Phoenix Woman

      The immigration system is broken, and Central America is broken.  The border is the symptom, not the cause.

      Do you know why >90% of the kids are from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, and not elsewhere in Latin America?  Like Colombia, Ecuador, Venezuela, Nicaragua?  Because those nations are in chaos - we exported the gangs, and created the war on drugs, and any sane parent or guardian is desperate to get their kids away from the violence.  

      Do you think undocumented parents can simply petition for their children to join them?  No, they cannot.  Kids are spending their entire childhoods separated from their parents, and parents simply can't take the delay any longer.

      Immigration from Mexico has slowed as Mexico becomes more stable and the economy improves.  Immigration from Central America will taper off if/when the same thing happens there.  In the meantime, a percentage of these kids (30% according to UNHCR) fit the criteria for refugee status and/or sufficiently severe abuse and neglect that they are eligible to remain under US law.  

      The solution?  Make sure the kids are screened and get legal representation.  Those who are eligible for relief, stay.  Those who are not, are sent back.  But we can't be a nation that permits 8 year olds to go to immigration court without an attorney and without adequate assessment to determine the safety and best interests of the kid.  

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 01:37:49 PM PDT

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      •  This is not a problem that we as Americans (1+ / 0-)
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        Kids are spending their entire childhoods separated from their parents, and parents simply can't take the delay any longer.
        can fix.  Those people chose to LEAVE THEIR CHILDREN.  Instead of doing what they could to bring change to their own country.

        So now we need to provide safe haven for them and the children they left behind?  That would NEVER happen the other way around.

        •  Central America does not exist in a vacuum (0+ / 0-)

          We funded several decades of civil wars in those countries - especially El Salvador and Guatemala.  MS-13, the major criminal gang in Central America, actually originated in East LA - we literally exported the gang problem from East LA to Central America.  Central America is intimately tied to the US through CAFTA as well.

          Now, I'm not saying that Central Americans have no responsibility for the mess that they find themselves in... but the US has a huge degree of responsibility as well.  A lot of people have died trying to fix Central America. The kids are paying the price.

          “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

          by ivorybill on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 02:11:20 PM PDT

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          •  I'm from El Salvador and your description of th... (0+ / 0-)

            I'm from El Salvador and your description of the situation is really accurate.

            I have brothers that live there and never showed any interest to Come to th US until very recently, the gang and crime situation is so out of control that you literally were safer to go to the street during the civil war than now. You don't know if you are coming back alive.

            Almost every business have to pay the gangs extortion fees to operate.

            The gangs recruit kids in the schools, if you refuse you get beat up or killed.

            It surprise me that the American media is not talking about that, if You have children over there you want to get them out of there as soon as possible.

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