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  •  While of course I think the decision is absurd (1+ / 0-)
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    I also believe a lot of women resent being used by both parties on issues of our reproductive rights.  

    I'm not stupid.  I'll vote on a number of issues and reproductive rights will not be the most important issue driving my vote.  

    Now, the good news is that at least for 2014 I don't have issues with the Democrats on my ballot -- unless they get carried away and support more g.d. war before November.

    But as a senior, a home owner, someone who has been registered to vote for over 40 years, someone the party can find by phone and at the front door as they did on the same day last week without need for social media or any effort at all because I've on their computer list for decades ---  do not take my vote for granted.  I am the vote you have now.  I'm the easy vote.  You might appreciate that once in awhile instead of just bashing seniors.  

    If you are a Democrat you can be reached on many issues.  My mom and her girl friends are in their 90's and you can reach them too.  

    •  Do you talk (1+ / 0-)
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      to your mother and her friends.  No matter if your a Sr. what about the difficulties these decisions present for the young amongst us.  No one will take your vote for granted on this issue.

      •  Yes I do and they are more receptive than you (1+ / 0-)
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        might think.  You absolutely can reach older women on these issues, but you have to watch how you do it or the "Beyoncé voters" thing can stick with older women.

        I'm not a huge Hillary fan but I do think she does well talking about this issue because of course she is an older woman!  

        I'd just suggest some of the younger men not be so obviously cynical about how they want to manipulate women voters.  

        •  I am an 'older woman' (12+ / 0-)

          and I am appalled at yesterday's decision. I actually remember when abortion was illegal - had my children back then, and encountered more than one situation where lack of safe, legal abortion led to death and motherless children. I actually remember the early days of hormonal birth control, when the doses were ridiculous and women went blind, were crippled, and sometimes died taking them. Which is why they came up with IUDs as the hormonal dosages steadily declined to what was both safe and effective.

          I also remember that even when abortion was illegal, well situated women had no trouble getting a D&C from a reputable gynecologist. If you were poor and/or 'unconnected' to an older woman advocate, you were shit out of luck - back alley for you.

          I had my tubes tied at 22 because I couldn't take pills, couldn't wear an IUD (blood clotting issue), and already had two kids so wasn't likely to get an abortion even though we were poor. I just didn't want to have a kid a year until it finally killed me. Took years for me to convince a 'board' of Navy doctors that I was fit to make up my own mind.

          My daughters had the advantages of struggles women before them waged and won. Just as I benefitted from the struggles my mother and grandmothers waged and won. My granddaughters must have that as well. All of us - including sons and grandsons now old enough to vote WILL turn out, we WILL bring others with us, and we WILL vote Democratic. We all owe it to ourselves, our ancestors, and our progeny.

          There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. - Will Rogers

          by Joieau on Tue Jul 01, 2014 at 03:49:30 PM PDT

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    •  I actually am having a little trouble with this. (14+ / 0-)

      How do you think democrats are "using" women on the issue of reproductive rights?  Unless you think being offended by one party's determination to roll back those rights is "using" women.  The fact that this is an issue that will (or may) motivate female voters isn't "using" those voters.  It's simply recognizing that this is an issue that women care about quite a bit.  And that includes many women who own their own homes and have been registered to vote for a long time.  It actually includes many women who themselves have no need for contraception.  There are many women who care about this issue without it necessarily being something that affects them personally.  The concept, that women can be discriminated against when it comes to health care, or that women should not be the ones to make the decisions about their own bodies affects a lot of women in a lot of ways.  Most of them are intelligent enough to see that.  And act on it.  I get it that many people wait by their front door for the democratic party to come give them a personal invitation to participate in democracy.  But there are many women who take this insult to their very personhood personally and who are willing to go out and work to defeat the people who are behind it.  Pointing out that this is a good thing for democrats is not "using" those women.

      "Speak the TRUTH, even if your voice shakes."

      by stellaluna on Tue Jul 01, 2014 at 01:14:35 PM PDT

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      •  Of course BUT (1+ / 0-)
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        I don't disagree with you at all on how women view the issue but they are also not stupid and neither are MEN.  Democrats have made it so over the top clear that 2016 is going to be all about **WOMEN** and that being their one word strategy the MSM is already sneering at the War on Women because they are cynical and they think the strategy is cynical.  A woman anchor was doing that on CNN yesterday.   I mean it is sooooooooo obvious.  

        And I know I'm a real contrarian with this but I don't think it is really swell for the country to have the parties so zealously trying to divide the country on gender and also race.

        I'm just saying Democrats have to be a bit careful on how they USE the issue.

        Someone was citing a 24% white male vote for Obama the other day as if somehow that is a good thing.  It's actually pretty dismal and assuming the sexes are going to remain deeply divided by party is a risky bet.  

        Women know Democrats are trying to get their vote but they might also like to believe Democrats want to make things better for their entire family, men included, even white men, even old white men, even old white Christian men.  

        •  It seems like you are presuming that men don't (1+ / 0-)
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          get this as well.  Many, many men are offended by this.  And I don't think any non-Republican Rush Limbaugh type would ever see the "War on Women" as meaning it somehow diminishes men--even elderly white men.  Except for the radical right that is so frightened of women controlling their own bodies I think most men and women realize that Republican policies are bad for most people except for the 1%.  Sadly, many democratic policies are like that too.  We have some real work cut out for us to convince democratic politicians that they can win elections with progressive policies for everyone.  A rousing defeat of Republicans over this "progressive" issue (I use quotes here simply for the absurdity that women's reproductive rights are seen as progressive by politicians) would help toward encouraging politicians to move toward more progressive stances.  We aren't going to get a lot of what we want in one or two election cycles.  But what we have to do is consistently show that the party that represents the will of normal people wins.  So in my opinion, winning on this issue would be great for everyone.  It sure as hell beats running on austerity.  

          "Speak the TRUTH, even if your voice shakes."

          by stellaluna on Tue Jul 01, 2014 at 01:45:23 PM PDT

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          •  Actually I do believe men can get this BUT again (0+ / 0-)

            you have to be careful not alienate them with the messaging.  The messaging needs to go after men too.  Don't just go after young single women.  Go after old women and men too.  Don't let the Republicans be correct in their "Beyoncé voters" sneer.   One of the things they're doing with that is just picking up on how cynical some of these young over eager wonks are on their hard sell to younger women.  

            Stop, think before you message.  It's a good issue for Democrats if it's not used too cynically because people really aren't that dumb.  

    •  Sorry, but your 'both sides do it' won't fly. (10+ / 0-)
      I also believe a lot of women resent being used by both parties on issues of our reproductive rights.
      Republicans are the ones who have declared war on womens reproductive rights.

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