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  •  It's time to pick a fight Mr. President (28+ / 0-)

    It is time to draw that line in the sand and say, "No more!"

    Don't do it because it's politically expedient.

    Do it because of Sasha and Melia (sp?). Do it because you want your daughters and granddaughters and great granddaughters to have the ability to control their own bodies.  

    A lot of women voted for you Mr. President, it's time to stand up for them. You are our voice right now.  Time to use it.

    "The NRA, the club you join when the military won't have you" - bumpersticker

    by dawgflyer13 on Tue Jul 01, 2014 at 11:32:58 AM PDT

    •  Put birth control pills on the shelf NOW (8+ / 0-)

      That is the best idea here.

      I want to see them on the shelf at Target and CVS, right next to the boxes of condoms.

      Make it happen, Mr. President.

      Please help to fight hunger in the U.S. by making a donation to Feeding America.

      by MJB on Tue Jul 01, 2014 at 02:00:16 PM PDT

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      •  Counterproductive (9+ / 0-)

        Reclassifying birth control pills as OTC would increase the out of pocket costs to tens of millions of women who now get them for "free."  Insurance doesn't cover OTC medications nor could one use an HSA to pay for them.

        •  True. Sort of. (4+ / 0-)
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          When I got Zyrtec as an Rx drug, it cost me $10 per month.

          It went OTC and costs me almost $40 for two months worth at Costco. The price is truly crazy at regular stores.

          Now, this is a drug I can't take in generic. But if I could, the generic form can be purchased at Costco: 365 pills for $15. Plus they often offer coupons for a few dollars off.

          That's definitely cheaper than most people can get with insurance. And insurance often doesn't cover name brands at all.

          So it depends.

          For people who get contraceptives for free, it's going to be hard to replace that, except that if Planned Parenthood and other groups can get OTC drugs at a good price, they can likely hand them out for free.

          But for many people, generics may be cheaper. I'd love to see a bottle of 365 birth control pills sitting on the shelf at Costco between the Pepto Bismol and Excedrin.

          Finally, HSAs can normally be used for OTCs s as long as your physician prescribes (via written or electronic order) the drug. My doctor writes up a written prescription for my Zoloft every year, and I file it with my financial papers for taxes for that year. She obviously documents my chart as well. I then use my HSA debit card to buy the OTC drug, and keep the receipt with the prescription.

          You can't use HSA for any ole OTC you just opt to buy, but any drug that your doctor prescribes should qualify.

          As always, talk to your tax advisor and HSA issuer for specific information for your situation.

          © grover

          So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

          by grover on Tue Jul 01, 2014 at 02:40:26 PM PDT

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          •  Problem with Freebies is that a woman really does (6+ / 0-)
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            have to check with her doctor(s) about what form of contraceptive or contraceptive-too drug she buys over the counter, because there are in every pool of women some who should definitely NOT take this one or that one or the one over there, becasue it conflicts with other medicine she must take or has a horrendous side effect for her in particular , or  . . . . and  the best way for many is an IUD which must be placed by a medical person trained to do it. The doctor is an essential part of this, as are said doctor's bills.

             I wonder if JHobby Lobby will be barring Dr. bills for visits to the obgyn where this stuff is discussed - it's as possible as the insistence that paying for drugs is a sin.

            These are very active biochemicals and, SCOTUS and HL be damned, must be treated and used with care.

            •  Oh, absolutely. (2+ / 0-)
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              That's the case with many OTCs as well though.

              Many people shouldn't take acetaminophen for example. And it shows up in so many dang medicines that unless you're really careful, you can get way more than you should (even if you're perfectly healthy). If you have the flu, you might take alka  seltzer because you feel nauseated, Excedrin for your headache and then a few hours later, NyQuil to help you sleep. And no one would come screaming into your house and rip those out of your hands because you're potentially poisoning yourself.

              But they all contain acetaminophen, quite a lot of it.

              Drugs for reflux (GERD) are potent and have side effects as well. But people self-diagnose and self-prescribe those all the time. Some are better for some patients than others. And they shouldn't be used for more than several weeks without direct supervision and monitoring.

              I don't see wider availability of BC pills as a bad thing. The key is, we need easier access to doctors.

              I understand HL wanted to limit that as well for physicians visits, but it seems hard to enforce. Can they deny a 60 minute well woman exam with diagnostics because of a two sentence conversation? Who knows how that will play out?

              © grover

              So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

              by grover on Tue Jul 01, 2014 at 04:20:46 PM PDT

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              •  And the screening exam won't be just a "yearly"... (1+ / 0-)
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                And the screening exam won't be just a "yearly" exam, covered 100% if you have any diagnosis that gets discussed, put in the doc's notes, and then coded on the insurance form...unless the clinic codes for the well exam separately from the discussion of symptoms. Been there, had it happen. Protested; got the insurance submission changed.

      •  Don't forget 7-11. (per cardinal dolan) nt (1+ / 0-)
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        Oh for crying out loud!

        by 4mygirls on Tue Jul 01, 2014 at 02:12:14 PM PDT

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      •  That is a backwards move. BC is free now (3+ / 0-)
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        Put it OTC and we have to pay for it again. Backwards thinking.

        President Obama at Madison Rally 9/28/2010 - "Change is not a spectator sport."

        by askew on Tue Jul 01, 2014 at 02:14:12 PM PDT

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      •  otc (1+ / 0-)
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        Many drugs now needing an rx are otc in other countries.  Forcing people to go to doctors for the prescription is one cause of our overspending on health care.

        Actions speak louder than petitions.

        by melvynny on Tue Jul 01, 2014 at 02:18:57 PM PDT

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      •  ^^^THIS^^^ (0+ / 0-)

        It's WAY past time for this.

        When lots of people show up to vote, Democrats tend to win.

        by Audri on Wed Jul 02, 2014 at 09:33:14 AM PDT

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      •  And it makes a good rallying cry: (0+ / 0-)
        Birth contol on the shelves! - Now!
        Birth contol on the shelves! - Now!
        Birth contol on the shelves! - Now!

        When lots of people show up to vote, Democrats tend to win.

        by Audri on Wed Jul 02, 2014 at 09:35:23 AM PDT

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