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  •  You are right (0+ / 0-)

    And l am not being facetious.
    I came to this website hoping to find a place where l could debate my ideals with other people who had opposing ideals so that maybe l could either strengthen those ideals or toss them out.
    It doesn't seem to be possible, there is to much animosity to the individual who holds those ideas.
    Also their is ALOT of paranoia.i find it a lot on other sites as well. Everyone feels like the other is out to get them.

    I did open the account awhile back, never used it. Now l am back. Should l open a new account? Assuage some of the feelings of plant or mole? Doubt that would help because the same ideas would still come from me and l would be "outed" easily and the barbs would fly all over again.

    •  "Drink the Koolaid" (5+ / 0-)

      You could start by engaging people you disagree with fundamentally without using obnoxious phrases like "drink the koolaid" or accusing people of being scared. That's not "strengthening your ideals", that's being a douche.

      Even when people who are ideologically consistent with this site's liberal Democratic mission talk like douches, they're in trouble. And the site not infrequently has actual agents provocateur who have been proven, so your posting history combined with your inflammatory style of course gets you rejected. Your ideas are secondary, even in your own presentation.

      Try actually engaging and you might sharpen your ideals. Keep up that style and you'll just be treated as the enemy.

      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

      by DocGonzo on Tue Jul 01, 2014 at 03:38:31 PM PDT

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      •  It seems that everything is going back to that one (0+ / 0-)

        Line.

        So out all the posts that l have placed here today it is the one line that has been that offensive?

        If that is the only thing that has been that upsetting and ruffled so many feathers then l will refrain from that.

        If l maintain to keep my abrasive comments to myself do you think that others can refrain from calling me a white supremacist, or an asshole, or a troll, or a Nazi?

        Never did l once call anyone any names, just questioned the validity of the comparison of someone's post and yes the last line was to far and l have acknowledge such and apologize to the one l offended.

        Enough of that, ok?
        Can we get back to the issues at hand now?

        •  Not Everything (3+ / 0-)

          You are talking to me, in a subthread replying to that post. Yes, that one line was inflammatory. Of course everything else you say is going to be seen coming from the same place. Internet discussions give very little info about the whole person, but comments like that tend to supply a lot of info about the person. Of course you have to refrain from portraying other people disagreeing with you as cultist koolaid drinkers.

          You also tried accusing me of being scared of you, which is also a bad tactic for getting an open communication.

          I can't speak for anyone else, but Daily Kos is a community. A lot of other topics outside direct politics are part of the conversations that bind people together here. The politics have direct effects on people's lives, who aren't here to "hone their ideals", but to talk about what makes their actual lives hard in practice, and what could help them succeed better. The kinds of political ideals you seem to want to hone are shared by actual White supremacists, actual trolls, and even actual (or close enough) nazis - and other assholes. If you want to both minimize angry, oversimplified reactions counterattacking you as a representative of a category rather than as an individual, you'll have to stop attacking with the rhetoric that a recognizable group uses. A group that has members who not infrequently post here as nothing but trolls: people interested in nothing but causing flame wars, not actual discussions.

          You'll also have to accept that a conflict isn't over just because you've had enough of it, but only when you and others in the conflict are all done.

          If you want to discuss issues according to your ideals, you'll have to talk in a way that encourages return engagement. I can't promise you won't find assholes here responding to you, but at least you'll have a chance.

          Indeed, you'll probably find that you have more in common with people here than you expected. Most people do, even when they agree.

          "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

          by DocGonzo on Tue Jul 01, 2014 at 04:28:45 PM PDT

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        •  And Thank Yous (0+ / 0-)

          You could also thank people who spend a lot of time giving you good advice. It's a polite way to end a conversation, even if you disagree.

          But maybe you weren't soliciting advice after all. Maybe you just wanted to keep talking a while until you could insist "enough of that".

          You're not going to get much but arguments like that. Have fun in the meme pool - don't get in over your head.

          "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

          by DocGonzo on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 04:37:19 AM PDT

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    •  You did not start out debating, you first attacked (0+ / 0-)

      someone who was writing about her teabagger neices. You acted like  the person did not know the political beliefs of her family members or that he or she was lying.
      You simply could not believe her nieces were teabaggers who watch Fox news because of their situation. Well plenty of right wingers are on welfare too and have children by different fathers. It happens across political spectrums for a variety of reasons.  

      It is like Teabaggers who protested ACA by telling the government to keep their hands off their medicare when medicare is clearly a federal government program.  

      You did not start out debating, you just insulted a person right off the bat saying she was wrong about her own family members and accused her of assumptions and fabrication is how I read your comment.

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      by wishingwell on Wed Jul 02, 2014 at 09:07:08 AM PDT

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