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  •  I'm not sure I like where you're going with this. (0+ / 0-)

    So there are ethnicities that are more ok with breaking the law?

    Please, enlighten us....

    © grover


    So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

    by grover on Fri Jul 04, 2014 at 09:49:50 AM PDT

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    •  Is that not what kos was implying? (4+ / 0-)
      So there are ethnicities that are more ok with breaking the law?
      Or is it OK to imply such things about white people, but not others?
      •  No, that's not what kos said. (1+ / 0-)
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        Markos stated a fact, that demographically speaking, the states that score at the top of the list are also predominated populated by white people. That is a fact the census will prove. (Or  fact check it and if he's wrong, tell him so ).

        This?

        Minnesota are Scandinavian and German which tend to be obsessively following the letter of the law types
        I'd like some to prove it to me. More important, I'd like someone to explain to me the point the commenter made in his subject line
        Whites don't all come from the same value system
        and prove THAT to me.

        There is fact. There is opinion. You may think kos found certain facts relevant here (he saw a correlation) and you don't.

        But it's not the same thing as tossing around unfounded (and bigoted) opinions. If we are going to be reality based, we at least have to agree on what reality is.

        © grover


        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

        by grover on Fri Jul 04, 2014 at 10:24:23 AM PDT

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        •  EVERY state in the US (2+ / 0-)
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          is predominately populated by white people, no?

          So what is the point of the statement?

        •  you do know the Demographics of the US right? (4+ / 0-)

          You could just as easily say "half of the voters in the most corrupt states are women" or "least corrupt state predominately white."

          In only 4 states - Texas, California, New Mexico and Hawaii - are whites not a majority.  That means that there is a 92% chance that a corrupt - or not corrupt state is "mostly white.

          It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

          by ksuwildkat on Fri Jul 04, 2014 at 10:34:19 AM PDT

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          •  The corruption of government can't be directly (0+ / 0-)

            tied to racial % of population. One would have to filter for political participation per racial segment to get reliable data.

          •  Tell Markos. Not me. (0+ / 0-)

            I didn't say I agreed with the correlation he drew.

            I demanded facts instead of opinion that sounded pretty dang bigoted to me.

            That particular commenter that I responded to gets furious in other diaries when feeling that s/he has been on the receiving end of bigotry. I agree in those situations. So I'm supposed to turn away when s/he does the same thing here?

            Nope....

            Bigotry is wrong. It always is.

            If Markos is wrong, call him on it. He's a man; he can handle it.

            © grover


            So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

            by grover on Fri Jul 04, 2014 at 11:42:09 AM PDT

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            •  I do tell people that a lot of (2+ / 0-)
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              "old white people" will have to die out before Arlington, TX stops voting down public transit. Since I'm not young and pretty pale, I get away with it. It's a fact, though that the voting bloc that has opposed every transit plan that has been presented here since the 1960s are white Republican voters. As long as they have a car, they don't want those "buses" stinking up "our town." When I ran for City Council I purposely rode Handitran to as many events as possible. When another candidate said she "didn't want buses here because it would bring the wrong people to our town." I responded: "Look around. We're already here!"

              •  Selfish generation (0+ / 0-)

                Sorry but a lot of "greatest" and their Boomer spawn are incredibly selfish.  "Got mine" seems to bee their motto.  And oh look, the kids of boomers are right there with them.  

                Public school?  Evil (never mind they all got free public education

                Public transportation?  NO!  I don't want to pay for "those people."

                Public Parks?  Sell them off, put a gate, charge a fee.

                Cant wait for them to die off.

                It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

                by ksuwildkat on Fri Jul 04, 2014 at 02:12:39 PM PDT

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        •  OMG get yourself some Garrison Keillor (2+ / 0-)
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          He built an entire career on doing comedy about the differences between German Catholics and Norwegian and Swedish Lutherans.  But you wouldn't get the humor so it would a total waste of time.

          •  Ah yes, it was just a joke. (0+ / 0-)

            © grover


            So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

            by grover on Fri Jul 04, 2014 at 11:48:19 AM PDT

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      •  Power corrupts...whites have all the power. (0+ / 0-)

        Absolute power corrupts...absolutely.

        We are not powerless!! "Activism is the rent I pay for living on this planet."– Alice Walker

        by nocynicism on Fri Jul 04, 2014 at 12:02:15 PM PDT

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        •  In the DFW area most power in the Democratic (1+ / 0-)
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          party is concentrated in Senator Royce West's district. Those that show up to vote and stick together are much more "powerful" than those who are fragmented and /or disengaged.  Despite the preponderance of money being in the Northern Sectors of the City, whenever Statewide Candidates come to speak at Democratic Senatorial Conventions, they hit Senator West's district and bypass most of them in the Northern part of the city because the voters are concentrated more heavily in Senator West's district. Power is relative. In Texas Latino's outnumber Blacks and Anglos but they don't show up as regularly to vote and participate in the system. Therefore, they have less "power". It isn't how many people of a group reproduces in a geographic area that counts; it's what those people do that equates to political clout and power.

        •  Tell that to Latinos in LA (1+ / 0-)
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          Funny thing happened in LA when Latinos started outnumbering African Americans - the African Americans in power used the same tricks to maintain power that whites had used against them.  I promise you, the corrupting power of power knows no race.  

          It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

          by ksuwildkat on Fri Jul 04, 2014 at 02:17:04 PM PDT

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    •  Yeah sure (4+ / 0-)
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      As an ethnic Californian, I don't believe in stop signs.  They are "pause" signs.  On the other hand, red lights are red lights.  I move to Colorado and apparently red means "Stop if you feel like it" while $%^%# stop signs mean "stop and think about life for a bit."

      Germans  - break a law, go to jail.  Steal a penny, jail and public scorn.  Sex?  What ever.

      Italy - break a law, get the law changed.  Steal a penny, get mocked for not stealing more.  Sex scandal - BURN!!!

      French - break a law, slap on the wrist (and maybe a few broken bones), sex scandal, mocked of getting caught, wear bad clothes or eat bad food - THE HORROR!!

      Don't get me started on the Middle East…..

      Yes, different ethnicities have different views of breaking different laws.  

      It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

      by ksuwildkat on Fri Jul 04, 2014 at 10:08:52 AM PDT

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      •  An "ethnic Californian"?? (2+ / 0-)
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        Hahahaha!!!!

        Best thing I've read today.  

        I'm going to leave this diary on this high note.

        Thanks for the laugh.

        I'm going to think of you when I enjoy my carne asada and fish tacos on 4th of July -- likely with a nice Chianti -- because that's,  of course, exactly what we ethnic Californians do!

        Have a great holiday!

        © grover


        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

        by grover on Fri Jul 04, 2014 at 10:30:47 AM PDT

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        •  :) (2+ / 0-)
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          I have put "Californian" in the "other" ethnic block of more than one form.  Some parts of the Army have no sense of humor.  Can't stand Texans but I totally get where they are coming from and support claiming "Texan" as an ethnicity.  

          California - its not a state, its a state of mind.  

          It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

          by ksuwildkat on Fri Jul 04, 2014 at 10:48:08 AM PDT

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      •  I'd say "prioritize" what laws to observe most (1+ / 0-)
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        often!

    •  scotch-irish (0+ / 0-)

      my people

      An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

      by mightymouse on Fri Jul 04, 2014 at 10:38:08 AM PDT

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    •  The point is this (3+ / 0-)
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      Not to say Germans & Scandinavians aren't immune to corruption, but there is a great deal of emphasis put in both cultures on following the letter of laws/rules/conventions while ignoring the spirit.

      For example, in Germany there is the common image of civil servants spending their work hours reading the newspaper.  Of course, the same civil servants are punctually at their desks at 8:00 am where they remain until 5:00 pm. (Although the actual hours have changed in recent years.) They are following the rules.

      Which is why Germans do not take bribes. Of course, I expect a large number of Germans are eager to accept "gifts" from friends; the secret is all in knowing the proper way to befriend a given public official so she/he will accept offered gifts, who will (of course) provide desired favors for their friends.

      This doesn't mean most Germans are happy about civil servants receiving "gifts" from "friends". But the way this is practiced just makes it as difficult to successfully prosecute in German courts as charges of corruption are in certain US courts. ("How can we be absolutely sure that this is corruption, as opposed two actual friends exchanging tokens of friendship?")

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