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  •  I agree. the Religious Right has been in decline (2+ / 0-)
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    since the late 80's. They have lost every fight they were involved with -- marriage equality, school prayer, creationism in schools, outlawing abortion--they lost them all. And although the goppers pay them lots of lip service (to keep the checks and votes coming), the reality is that even the GOP has abandoned them--it fights for the interests of money, and money has no religion.

    It is no accident that this "victory" comes from the only branch of government that is not elected. The fundies CAN'T win in any branch of government that IS elected. They have no public support.

    They're done.

    In the end, reality always wins.

    by Lenny Flank on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 07:55:52 AM PDT

    •  In decline from what? (1+ / 0-)
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      Was the Religious Right a politically active force before the 1980s?

      Curious thought: It may be that the Religious Right itself was a flare-up, a "rear-guard" harbinger of secularism's progress.

      That's the sense in which Nietzsche originally said "God is dead."

      "It ain't so much the things we don't know that get us in trouble. It's the things we know that ain't so." (Artemus Ward)

      by Silencio on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 08:08:04 AM PDT

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      •  in the early 80's, they could actually get (2+ / 0-)
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        elected and pass laws that they wanted (though most of those laws were killed later in court challenges).

        Today, they couldn't pass a slow bus on the highway.

        In the end, reality always wins.

        by Lenny Flank on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 08:13:15 AM PDT

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        •  SCOTUS rulings are not subject to any (2+ / 0-)
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          appeals. This SCOTUS is stacked in favor of the GOP. They make the ultimate laws of the US.

        •  Are you serious? (0+ / 0-)

          They have been very successful in limiting abortion and making it unavailable through various regulatory requirements.

          And creationism is being taught in schools - or evolution is not being taught in schools.

          The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

          by dfarrah on Sat Jul 05, 2014 at 08:32:45 AM PDT

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          •  nope to both (0+ / 0-)

            Their goal was to make abortion ILLEGAL in the US, period.  They failed utterly. They can pass restrictions in areas where they still have a bare majority, but at the national level they have failed completely.

            Creationism is illegal to teach in public schools.  Period. And it is illegal to NOT teach evolution because of religious opposition. Period. Creationists have lost every court case they have ever been involved with. Every one. Without exception. They failed utterly.

            In the end, reality always wins.

            by Lenny Flank on Sat Jul 05, 2014 at 11:16:14 AM PDT

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      •  the real high point of the fundamentalist (1+ / 0-)
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        movement was in the 1910's and 1920's.  See:


        In the end, reality always wins.

        by Lenny Flank on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 08:22:54 AM PDT

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        •  And the high points of religious (0+ / 0-)

          influence in this country are probably echoes of the two Great Awakenings (1730-1745, 1800-1840) plus the religious dimensions of the Populist movement (maybe 1870-1910, sometimes called the Third Great Awakening, just in time for the conservative wing to fold into the Fundamentalist movement you cite).

          You could also make a case for conventional religiosity being important in the Cold War period (1950-1960?), mixing in with anti-Communism and the McCarthy years.

          The so-called Fourth Great Awakening which comprises the Charismatics, Pentecostalists and Religious Right, has created very strong feelings in a minority of the population, but I don't think ever affected the majority.

    •  Not quite every fight..... (0+ / 0-)

      They may lose by law but they go right on doing as they like in many places.  Religion in schools, prayer etc continue.  As long as they are given an inch anywhere, they will eventually go for the next mile and then the next and so on.  We actually have some kind of church meeting on  Sundays in our public grade school here.  Their name is on the school's sign where they usually post activities, holidays and such.  Sunday morning the parking lot is full.  Now, how is that legal?

      "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” — William Arthur Ward

      by cowdab on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 09:07:42 AM PDT

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