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  •  In decline from what? (1+ / 0-)
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    Was the Religious Right a politically active force before the 1980s?

    Curious thought: It may be that the Religious Right itself was a flare-up, a "rear-guard" harbinger of secularism's progress.

    That's the sense in which Nietzsche originally said "God is dead."

    "It ain't so much the things we don't know that get us in trouble. It's the things we know that ain't so." (Artemus Ward)

    by Silencio on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 08:08:04 AM PDT

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    •  in the early 80's, they could actually get (2+ / 0-)
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      elected and pass laws that they wanted (though most of those laws were killed later in court challenges).

      Today, they couldn't pass a slow bus on the highway.

      In the end, reality always wins.

      by Lenny Flank on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 08:13:15 AM PDT

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      •  SCOTUS rulings are not subject to any (2+ / 0-)
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        appeals. This SCOTUS is stacked in favor of the GOP. They make the ultimate laws of the US.

      •  Are you serious? (0+ / 0-)

        They have been very successful in limiting abortion and making it unavailable through various regulatory requirements.

        And creationism is being taught in schools - or evolution is not being taught in schools.

        The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

        by dfarrah on Sat Jul 05, 2014 at 08:32:45 AM PDT

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        •  nope to both (0+ / 0-)

          Their goal was to make abortion ILLEGAL in the US, period.  They failed utterly. They can pass restrictions in areas where they still have a bare majority, but at the national level they have failed completely.

          Creationism is illegal to teach in public schools.  Period. And it is illegal to NOT teach evolution because of religious opposition. Period. Creationists have lost every court case they have ever been involved with. Every one. Without exception. They failed utterly.

          In the end, reality always wins.

          by Lenny Flank on Sat Jul 05, 2014 at 11:16:14 AM PDT

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    •  the real high point of the fundamentalist (1+ / 0-)
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      movement was in the 1910's and 1920's.  See:

      https://groups.google.com/...

      and

      http://www.talkreason.org/...

      In the end, reality always wins.

      by Lenny Flank on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 08:22:54 AM PDT

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      •  And the high points of religious (0+ / 0-)

        influence in this country are probably echoes of the two Great Awakenings (1730-1745, 1800-1840) plus the religious dimensions of the Populist movement (maybe 1870-1910, sometimes called the Third Great Awakening, just in time for the conservative wing to fold into the Fundamentalist movement you cite).

        You could also make a case for conventional religiosity being important in the Cold War period (1950-1960?), mixing in with anti-Communism and the McCarthy years.

        The so-called Fourth Great Awakening which comprises the Charismatics, Pentecostalists and Religious Right, has created very strong feelings in a minority of the population, but I don't think ever affected the majority.

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