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  •  Die rote Rosa came to much the same conclusions (1+ / 0-)
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    as Thomas Piketty with far less data...
    The US has had two non-violent revolutions, the first under Theodore Roosevelt (conservation, antitrust, etc.), the second under Franklin Delano Roosevelt.  But the counter-revolutionaries have stolen back almost all the gains of the middle class since 1980.  

    O Jungens, ich will doch gar kein Mensch sein (Jimmy Mahoney in Mahagonny by Brecht/Weill)

    by richardvjohnson on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 04:24:06 AM PDT

    •  The things we will never know! (3+ / 0-)
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      The sad thing is that Luxemburg was not able to live a long life. She might have then left a much greater mark on socialism as it was experienced in the 20th century. Probably Stalin would have had her killed. I would have liked to have her around to meet the left Keynesian Joan Robinson, who wrote the introduction to Accumulation of Capital I read, to grapple with the issues in an honest way. Too bad that never occurred and that the meeting minutes are not available for all of us to benefit from. I have said before that I would have liked to see a Luxemburg/Robinson ticket for president and vice president of our world. This is not because they would have agreed on everything but because they would have been able to get to the essential truths through the use of their hearts and minds. I do not think that Luxemburg would have thought that Piketty's proposals were nearly enough for the challenges at hand today or in her own time, but on the other hand, she would have appreciated the contribution to the international democratic dialogue he was making.

      Coming so close on my reading of Henry O. Morris's novel, I am not feeling so warm for Theodore Roosevelt these days. I also would not call what happened under either Roosevelt revolutionary. Some progress was made, but not nearly enough. I am not trying to win a purity contest, however, and greatly appreciate the dialogue. As you say, almost all the gains have been swept away, but I would put the date back to 1947 with the passage of Taft-Hartley, and I would suggest that the focus should be on the workers broadly defined, and not the middle class per se. I would like to see a nice general strike now and then to point political democracy in the right direction from the worker's viewpoint.

      Cheers and regards!

      garden variety democratic socialist: accepting life's complexity|striving for global stewardship of our soil and other resources to meet everyone's basic needs|being a friend to the weak

      by Galtisalie on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 04:52:50 AM PDT

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      •  Indeed I agree TR had some very bad points (1+ / 0-)
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        (hunting, imperialism) but no one else could have succeeded with the beginnings of environmentalism and the attempt to rein in the excesses of folks like JP Morgan.
        You're absolutely right that the Bolsheviks would never have permitted Rosa Luxemburg to live even if the proto-Nazis had spared her.  Too much free thought for any totalitarian to put up with.  You're also right about Taft-Hartley.  And I'm sorry I referred just to the middle class, of course I'm in sympathy with all workers.  Recently I reread Manhattan Transfer and the USA Trilogy and I'm thoroughly radicalized...
        I listen to the Brecht/Weill Berliner Requiem frequently and I cry at Rosa's song.

        O Jungens, ich will doch gar kein Mensch sein (Jimmy Mahoney in Mahagonny by Brecht/Weill)

        by richardvjohnson on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 06:18:29 AM PDT

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