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  •  Tyson Is Damned Near as Wrong as He Is Right. (4+ / 0-)
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    ethos that I think was in principle a good one
    No, it was the worst ethos there is.

    Science is being treated the way it is because it is reality not because it's science. There's nothing unique about science that creates the lies and opposition to facts "counterbalancing" it in the media.

    And the reason we're in such dire political straits hamstrung from discussing much less responding to climate science, is because so many people like Tyson regard history, mathematics, economics, and current events as matters of pure opinion. Because they believe it's been a "good" principle to balance reality with "the other side" and never, as major news anchors and leaders have stated they must not do, "picking and choosing" between competing claims of fact.

    Tyson would let us return to the world of King Arthur where he could be the wizard, but the rest of us would be serfs lucky to live to have gray hair.

    I think we have another Nate Silver conservative or libertarian in Dr. Tyson.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Jul 06, 2014 at 05:12:31 AM PDT

    •  To be fair to Tyson... (15+ / 0-)

      ...I think (I hope) that what he was saying was that the media took their commitment to being 'fair and balanced' (ie; telling both or all sides of a story) too far and applied it to verifiable facts.

      Not, of course, that the media ever were 'fair and balanced'; the media are owned by rich men and corporations and they have their own agenda. But the principle isn't inherently a bad one...unless we're talking about objective facts. The speed of light in a vacuum; the boiling point of water at sea level etc etc.

      What we've ended up with is:

      Gravity: Fact or Fiction? A Fox News Special with Louis Gohmert and Michele Bachman
      Or near enough...

      Lightly Seared On The Reality Grill

      by Retroactive Genius on Sun Jul 06, 2014 at 05:33:31 AM PDT

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      •  Reality doesn't get viewers (5+ / 0-)

        Faux "controversy" is what makes the knuckle-draggers turn on the TV.  I think Tyson was trying to be polite about the idea of a second opinion (so as not to turn off the knuckle-draggers who reject the notion they're wrong), but it works against those who seriously talk about climate change.  There isn't any "other side" to the subject.  Disaster looms down the road and no one wants to face it.

        With "reality TV," America has created a subculture of people who live to watch people fighting, even if it's only over imaginary crap that no one really cares about.

        If they can't have single or multiple people fighting (reality TV and sports), they will watch cock fighting, dog fighting, and if it were still in vogue, they'd watch bear-baiting.

        Science is genuine reality, and in many respects that's pretty boring because it consists of facts that can be proved as correct (or not).  As such, testing, re-testing against variables, getting dry statistical data, etc., is really quite tedious, but it's the only way to arrive at facts which are pretty mundane things, all in all, even if it proves coastal areas are going to be underwater in the not-too-distant future and that weather patterns are in the process of changing and will change more in the future....

        What will government do when so many people living in coastal areas will all have to be relocated...?  Who is going to pay for that?  [My "theory" about why more money wasn't sunk into New Orleans and the region after Katrina is that "someone" in government actually believed the scientists and realized millions/billions of dollars spent on levees and whatnot would be underwater because of rising seas in the future.  No one dared openly suggest people need to relocate because then the subject of 'who's going to pay for the relocation' would come up....]

        What will happen when soil and water are so polluted from fracking that vast areas will be uninhabitable and unable to grow crops to feed an already-overpopulated world...?

        What will happen if/when fracking in the US and Canada disrupts the tectonic plates beneath Yellowstone and the Yellowstone Caldera erupts, killing millions of people and permanently changes the landscape?  That's going to involve some really serious climate change for a very long time.

        There are a lot of serious subjects that need to be discussed.  The point of no return has arrived as far as climate change, and "someone" has to do "something' about alternative sources of energy, mass transit, relocating people away from low-lying coastal areas, etc.  I think politicians and corporations are hoping people will finance their own relocation so they don't have to pay for it.

        Let's face it, even the knuckle-draggers "know" something serious is afloat, they reject the reality of it all because they can't do anything (primarily because they don't have the brain capacity to do so), so they turn on the TV, veg out, and get their adrenalin rushes from faux controversies (religion vs science) and fighting (reality TV and sports).  From this, corporations profit....

        I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

        by NonnyO on Sun Jul 06, 2014 at 10:04:48 AM PDT

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        •  beacuse humans get addicted to emotions. (3+ / 0-)
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          The more emotions the better.

          Not just "pleasant" emotions.  Any emotions will do.  Why do you think that "drama" and "tragedy" sell so well at the box office?  "Oh boy, let's go see a film that ends with the main character committing suicide after his son gets brutally killed, what fun!"

          Not just polite emotions.

          Primal ones.  Fear and hatred, lust and conquest, total domination and abject surrender, the more blood and semen the better.

          Asian philosophies have a phrase for the attitude: "the drunken-monkey mind."

          I have a phrase for the behavior:  "monkeys and coconuts," where the monkeys get off by bashing each other with coconuts.

          Unfortunately it's more difficult to face down and stop, than if it was an entire nation full of meth-addicts and junkies, because the meth is adrenaline and the opiates are endorphins.  Putting the entire society on beta-blockers might help; good luck with that.  And trying to get the media to tone it down, even where it produces hate spew that leads to cops getting shot, is almost a non-starter even on the left that worships "speeeech" with the same lack of thought that the right worships guns.  

          It's a formula for cultural self-destruct.

          And anyone who even dares to take the Bodhisattva's vow to work for the enlightenment of all sentient beings, may as well be signing up to clean up the horse-shit after a parade, while equipped with a toothbrush and a teaspoon.

          None the less, we must at least try.

          We got the future back. Uh-oh.

          by G2geek on Sun Jul 06, 2014 at 06:00:45 PM PDT

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          •  Now you know why... (0+ / 0-)

            ... I very rarely go see movies (loathe the special effects crap and violence and spurting blood), and why my TV has been permanently turned off for close to a year now (and I didn't watch much before that, and I've never had cable because I adamantly refuse to pay to receive ads I also loathe).

            The FEW TV shows and movies I watch are on Hulu or YouTube.

            I like foreign films.  The Brits can usually be counted on to have great scripts for their comedies, mysteries, dramas.  IF they have violence it's either spoken of - police dramas like the Danish-Swedish version of The Bridge, or Wallander, the Swedish TV series - or shown only partially and of short duration - not the endless crap of special effects that go on for many minutes to waste time in American film.

            I have a great little media library of films I can turn to if I need a fix for good entertainment, it spans several decades, and includes musicals, comedies, dramas, history, etc.

            I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

            by NonnyO on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 01:48:00 PM PDT

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      •  I was quite put off of Through the Wormhole (0+ / 0-)

        with Morgan Freeman by the amount of pseudoscientific woo that routinely gets included, including the episode Is Gravity an Illusion?

        Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

        by Mokurai on Sun Jul 06, 2014 at 10:21:09 PM PDT

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    •  Wow, Gooserock, I have never gotten that (2+ / 0-)
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      Sense of him in all the times I have seen him talk.  I think he has a superb command of the English language that makes him a great ambassador of the scientific community. And some times I think he has struggle to not say things like "Why are you all so stupid?" He remains civil at all times, like R. Maddow. If he has an undercurrent of smugness and self-satisfaction I'd say he has earned it.

      We want you to terminate the GOP's command. With extreme prejudice. (from "Utopia Soon")

      by oddmike on Sun Jul 06, 2014 at 07:04:08 PM PDT

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