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  •  I think the HRs (8+ / 0-)

    may be because your comment implies that both were assassinated, although there is no proof that is true of Arafat. I suspect some considered that a "conspiracy theory" comment.


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    by cotterperson on Sun Jul 06, 2014 at 12:40:47 PM PDT

    •  both french and swiss investigators found evidence (12+ / 0-)

      in the form of elevated levels of polonium in arafat's body and grave, but not definitive proof. i would call it a plausible theory with some supporting evidence, but that needs more investigation and definitive evidence before it could be called proof. certainly nothing to HR someone over.

      that being said, the claim was hide rated because of the logical source of arafat's radiation poisoning, were that proven to have happened, not on abstract grounds of conspiracy theory (which is itself usually little more than a method to delegitimize any claim that intelligence services sometimes assassinate prominent politicians).

      •  There are lots of theories about Arafat's cause of (2+ / 0-)
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        Did Suha Arafat ever release the medical records from Arafat's actual death at the French hospital, or allow the doctors at the time of death to talk with the press?

        Don't you think it's odd that you're speculating about a report of polonium poisoning when the doctors at time of death are alive today, the medical records exist and could easily put aside the speculation?  So it's certainly possible there's something that Suha is hiding.

        There are many less conspiratorial possibilities that have been raised in the press.  I've seen speculation that that Arafat may have died of AIDS.  

        •  Re AIDS. your not the only per Arafat's wiki.. (0+ / 0-)

          More likely poisoning by a member of his minor nobility pissed-off by his shaking Rabin's hand and signing the peace deal. For the State of Israel to poison him with polonium would be super stupid and the State is too smart for that.

          Easy to obtain and the world's finger is pointed at the wrong suspect. Game of Thrones stuff.

          Also see the poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko.

          Bill Clinton came close but so many of the ME oligarchs don't want peace. No profit in peace for them.

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          by Notreadytobenice on Sun Jul 06, 2014 at 02:44:38 PM PDT

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      •  You're right on both counts. (6+ / 0-)

        It is certainly not proven that Arafat was assassinated through Polonium poisoning, although I have looked at the reports and I find them to be compelling enough that I certainly wouldn't rule it out - and if that is actually what happened, by far the most likely source of the Po is Israel.

        HRing that comment in that way is IMO cowardly and in addition counterproductive.  What we need here (and particularly in I/P) is not knee-jerk condemnation of the sort provided by drive-by HRs, but rather an actual discussion.

        I'm sorry - charliehall2, harrylimelives, and RedsFanForever fail the DBAD test here for HRing and then not engaging in any substantive explanation of their HRs.  (charliehall2 is the only one who commented at all, and his comment, which reads in total "HR for Arafat comment" is hardly sufficient.)

        •  Polonium is easy to obtain elsewhere for a price.. (1+ / 0-)
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          Pakistan, the caucus countries that had the soviet nukes back-in-the-day even Ukraine. The amount needed can almost fit on a pinhead. Such a small amount. Who's going to miss it.

          Good comment PeterHug. I appreciated the "HR drive-by" in particular.

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          by Notreadytobenice on Sun Jul 06, 2014 at 05:06:13 PM PDT

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          •  Polonium could in theory be obtained (2+ / 0-)
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            from a number of sources.  As a practical matter, I don't think that there are any sources aside from Israel, US, Iran, Pakistan, India, Russia, the EU generally, and Japan.

            Given that 210Po has a half-life of only 138 days, it must be used quickly after being obtained unless the user has a primary source to get it from.

            I do not have any opinion about this, but I must say that if it were to turn out that the Po poisoning hypothesis were substantiated, there are only a few names on the list I provided above, who would be really suspected of having done that.

            I understand why the HR-ers did what they did; the mere possibility of this being the case is something that would inflame opinion throughout the ME.

    •  So inappropriate HRs (1+ / 0-)
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      since a comment that possibly implies a not 100% proven historical fact are not HR-able, even if you disagree with them.

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