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  •  On a serious note, (8+ / 0-)

    I am very interested in Pope Francis' upcoming encyclical on the environment...especially how he addresses the issue of overpopulation and the environmental damage that causes.

    There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- goddammit, you've got to be kind. -- Kurt Vonnegut

    by Cali Scribe on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 02:35:21 PM PDT

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    •  Hmmm. If wants to be serious about (3+ / 0-)
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      overpopulation he's got a few difficult choices.  So, yes, that will be very interesting.  :)

      We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

      by Observerinvancouver on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 03:27:12 PM PDT

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    •  I hope he gives more than lip-service... (1+ / 0-)
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      Our problem with illegals can be put squarely on the Catholic church. Of course there are other factors involved but the basic problem is overpopulation. And when they come here then we have an overpopulation problem as well.

      Aside from the fact that this problem contributes to lack of jobs for all, we are running out of resources such as usable land and water. This is a worse problem in the Southwest as we are experiencing drought. But even without drought, places like LA and Las Vegas would simply not be sustainable without stealing water from hundreds of miles away. And those water supplies are dwindling.

      Although we have plenty of land still available in the US, much of it is desert and unusable because of lack of water. And things could get far worse with global warming.

      I am not a Christian anymore but I am familiar with the Bible and I am not sure where the Catholic church gets its policies on birth control. I know there is a passage in the OT where a man was punished for "spilling his seed". But the context is that in ancient Judaism a widow was required to marry her brother-in-law in order to be taken care of and further the family line. It was the brother-in-law who was required to essentially make children FOR HIS DEAD BROTHER. So in this particular instance the man was punished by God for failing to fulfill this duty.

      Unless the Pope wants to reinstate a widow marrying her brother-in-law (most likely resulting in polygamy too, since the man probably already would have a wife.) then I really don't think he has a leg to stand on theologically.

      Fortunately the Catholic church cannot control people as easilly as it used to because more people are literate and can interprete things themselves. A lot of American Catholics simply ignore that teaching. Hopefully that will eventually rub off onto the illegals as well. But will that happen quickly enough?

      In a world with 7 billion people and growing exponentially we simply cannot afford to keep going down this road.

      This was the world population when I was born in 1964: 3,263,738,832 at a 2.00% annual growth rate.

      This is what it is projected for 2064 at a modest 0.32% annual growth rate: 10,094,674,166

      In 2014 we are at a 1.12% annual growth rate which is better but not nearly good enough.

      (source: UN, Dept. of Economic and Social Affairs, Population Division (2013).)

      The Pope, IF HE IS COURAGEOUS ENOUGH can make a difference. I don't give a damn about doctrine and tradition. Overpopulation is one of the biggest causes of misery and poverty in the world. If he is serious about alieviating suffering in the world than this is his litmus test!

      I take the phrase "Bleeding Heart Liberal" as a compliment...

      by Pixie5 on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 08:33:11 PM PDT

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      •  A lot of writing, but I'm guessing that (1+ / 0-)
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        most people here - like me - won't read it once they hit the word "illegals" on your first line.

        This is not a sig-line.

        by Joffan on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 09:29:45 PM PDT

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        •  I am sorry. I did not express myself clearly... (0+ / 0-)

          I do have sympathy for these people but the root cause of their poverty are the POLICIES OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH against birth control.

          Perhaps I need to use a different term than "illegals" I use that because that is the standard term and technically they are here illegally.

          It has to be acknowledged that we don't have the resources to take care of all these people as long as they can't keep their population down. That isn't prejudice, it is reality. That applies to everyone, not just hispanic immigrants.

          I hope you take the time to read the rest of my post. It is about resources and population control and the strange theological position of the church.

          I take the phrase "Bleeding Heart Liberal" as a compliment...

          by Pixie5 on Tue Jul 08, 2014 at 12:37:56 PM PDT

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      •  Pixie5 - You are Right On Overpopulation (0+ / 0-)

        I didn't have a problem with the length of your comment, nor your use of the term illegals as it is technically correct if not Politically Correct.

        The Catholic Church's stance on birth control since the reconfirmation of the Humanae Vitae of 1968 has been a disaster for the planet, as the global population has increased from 3.5 to 7.2 Billion in 50 years. The Church could have been a big factor in slowing this increase had it removed its proscription back then; Central and South America has been especially impacted by this un-Christian policy.  It would have resulted in lower economic pressure compelling the poor and desperate to want to come to the US.

        The environmental impact of such an unsustainable global population is should be glaringly apparent to the Holy See.  Time for the Pope to take a bold step for humanity's future (and the future of God's other species too).

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