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  •  One thing I could never understand... (25+ / 0-)

    If the conservatives and religious right want fewer abortions, then you have to support contraceptive programs in teens...especially teens that are lower income brackets.  The data is pretty clear that these programs are quite successful in preventing unplanned pregnancy in the target population...and then also decrease the financial burden of social welfare programs.  It really does have a much broader impact and "bang for the buck" than many Republicans might realize.  But because it potentially involves sexy sex times, it cannot possibly be a good thing.

    I went into science for the money and the sex. Imagine my surprise.

    by Mote Dai on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 07:50:50 AM PDT

    •  I don't think that (26+ / 0-)

      fewer abortions was actually their goal.  They seem to want two things:

      - An end to women having sex outside of marriage; and
      - Women who do have sex outside of marriage to be punished and shamed by being forced to bear children they do not want

      I think they actually liked the Bad Old Days when women who had abortions were at severe risk for dying or sustaining serious injuries.  It served them right! (Never mind that many of those women were married women who simply could not afford to have another child).

      The goals of these conservatives really seems to be to turn the clock back an indefinite amount of years to the Time That Never Was, and force women back into the home.  Birth control threatens this agenda, which is why they are against it.

      •  Dangerous, illegal, (7+ / 0-)

        and common.

      •  Also, (5+ / 0-)

        even sex within a marriage should only be for procreation, and not for sinful pleasure.

        Notwithstanding our collective DNA.  Or history.

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        by Mr MadAsHell on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 08:52:46 AM PDT

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      •  Yes. Having the baby is the punishment (2+ / 0-)
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        George Lakoff's interpretation of the Strict Father model of the family--the conservative model--fits with what you're saying. That model says that teenaged girls have no business having sex. If they get pregnant, it is morally wrong for them to get away with their misconduct by letting them have an abortion. They must accept the consequences or they won't learn to do what's right, instead of just doing whatever feels good at the moment.

        Teenagers who have had abstinence-only sex education, but who have sex and get pregnant anyway, are simply people who have not developed the self-discipline to do what's right. So even though these teenagers are their own daughters, the Strict Father parents would not blame the education: they would blame their daughter's failure to be self-disciplined.

        Lakoff also says that conservatives tend to stereotype the women who want abortions as either those teenagers who should not have been having sex, or women who think their careers are more important than motherhood. So no abortions for you. They're not considering, for example, the possibility that their daughter did not lack self-discipline, but was sexually assaulted.

    •  It's not fewer abortions they want. It's more... (9+ / 0-)

      pregnancies. Gotta out-breed the heathens, y'know?

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      he was never reasoned into” - Jonathan Swift

      by jjohnjj on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 08:16:06 AM PDT

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    •  All those wasted eggs are potential Jesuses! (4+ / 0-)
    •  They really don't make any sense at all (6+ / 0-)

      "Availability of contraception leads to increased sexual activity, which leads to unintended pregnancies and abortions."???

      Uh, no. That's the purpose of contraception - no pregnancy. And if you're not pregnant, you don't need an abortion.

      Now, if they said ""Availability of contraception leads to increased sexual activity, which leads to increased STDs" they MIGHT have a point.

      But blocking availability of contraception leads to unintended pregnancies and abortions, because you're certainly not going to stop teens (or anybody, for that matter) from having sex.

      •  About stopping--or not stopping--teens (2+ / 0-)
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        To conservatives who have the Strict Father model of the family, teenagers should not be having sex, and, if they are, it means that they lack the self-discipline that their parents have been trying to instill in them since birth. Self-discipline means doing what is right, not doing what feels good. Adults need self-discipline (among other qualities) to succeed in this world, as they see it. A teenager who gets pregnant because she lacks that self-discipline should face the consequences--having the baby. Allowing her to have an abortion means she gets away with it, with no consequences, and so she does not learn how to be morally strong.

        So the argument that making contraceptives available to teens will have the beneficial effect of reducing unintended pregnancies works for parents with the Nurturant Parent model (like me), but it won't work on Strict Father parents.

        We need to recognize that strategies like the ones in this diary are really important, and we should be supporting them fully, but without the expectation that we'll someday convince Strict Father parents that it is a good idea. This is yet one more issue where we'll never have 100% acceptance, but it is worth fighting for to help as many young people as possible.  

      •  Actually, kids who receive abstinence-only (2+ / 0-)
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        education have sex earlier than kids who get comprehensive sex ed (and are less likely to use protection, because the abstinence-only programs tell them it doesn't work).

        Whereas comprehensive sex ed -- which include abstinence as an option -- seems to make kids take the possibility of abstinence or waiting more seriously, as well as the responsibilities associated with sexual activity.

        Abstinence-only is, in fact, a complete failure... if you assume the goal is abstinence and not punishing girls for having sex.

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        by cai on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 02:25:40 PM PDT

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    •  As soon as you used the word "data" (3+ / 0-)
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      you ran off track.  Data has nothing to do with the C's and R's.  Whatever sounds right must be true, data be damned.

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      by jestbill on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 09:23:59 AM PDT

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    •  Here is the thing, (4+ / 0-)

      They think that every month that a woman uses birth control counts as an abortion.

    •  They Don't (2+ / 0-)
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      Conservatives don't want fewer abortions. They want more babies. It's their goal to increase the population because, let's face it, it's profitable and gives them more juice.

      If you think any conservative would applaud decreased teen pregnancy as a result of birth control you are sadly mistaken. And, for them, this is the worst kind possible, because the women who try it could very well get used to the convenience and effectiveness of an IUD and never have children at all.

      Nor do conservatives object to sexy times. They're all for it as long as it results in pregnancy, especially if the side-effect is marriage. Their whole game is to trap as many poor people into multiple pregnancies as possible.

      Increases in population mean more consumers and more workers. More consumers mean more revenue. More workers mean lower wages. Higher revenues plus lower costs equal profits.

      And, if you can trap women into marriage where they have enough kids then they can't work. This is the perfect recipe for the very rich because a man in a single-income family with a wife and a lot of kids is a very docile worker. They are in no position to fight for anything.

      I want to find the anonymous donor who funded Colorado's program and give them a medal and a ticker-tape parade down Broadway. They struck a blow for sanity in an insane world. They did the inverse of what conservatives want. They helped to restrain population growth, saved the state a bunch of money, and probably protected the health and lives of hundreds or thousands of young women.

      Good job, and let's hope the politicians in Colorado and other states step up and make this a replicating program. They will only do that if this get a lot of great publicity, and we ought to sing this from the rooftops.

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