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  •  Having Spent Some Time Under Guard Occupation (24+ / 0-)

    in Ohio in the infamous Spring 1970 I would guess it's not likely to happen in Chicago because of all the questions you raise, and more.

    The guard has some real utility for peace keeping in a small well defined area of a number of blocks, a college campus etc., but if you're talking a region of a major city, I would think the manpower and costs would quickly become prodigious. To chill out rioting or looting over a few days' time, yes; for an elevated steady crime or criminal violence rate, I don't see how it could work.

    I share your inclination to not want to find out.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue Jul 08, 2014 at 08:37:53 PM PDT

    •  yep. And remember Newark, NJ. (7+ / 0-)

      Deploying the national guard there made matters worse. Plus, the toxicity of being a place once placed under martial law lingers and only feeds blight for years.

      "All all of the women — Democratic women I should say — of the Senate urged Hillary Clinton to run, and I hope she does. Hillary is terrific." Elizabeth Warren on ABC's "This Week."

      by cassandraX on Wed Jul 09, 2014 at 04:08:21 AM PDT

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    •  Yes, there are a few of us still around. (1+ / 0-)
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      I was inside the cordon at Ohio State during the NG callout.  Yes, there was a curfew.  But, basically the Guard were pretty good guys for the most part, once things settled down a bit. But, I agree, trying to do it for a large chunk of a metropolitan area like Chicago would be a nightmare.

      And, no we weren't under Martial Law.  The Guard was there to enforce the curfew and that was about it.  Of course this was Ohio State, not Kent State which was a whole different thing.

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        there's a certain weird feeling involved.

        I live in a rural area of southern Ohio. The last weekend of June 1998 we had a series of really bad storms that caused massive flooding in six counties. Lots of destruction, people died, the whole area was declared a disaster area. And the National Guard was called in.

        I didn't have any problem with that. There was a huge amount of clean up and extra hands were needed. Some people I've talked to since mentioned random guardsmen getting "bossy," but I can't verify that. Their duties were mostly confined to helping clean up, traffic control (greatly increased traffic, lots of heavy equipment, and many traffic lights not working) and I suppose helping local law enforcement handle their calls.

        But even though we weren't under Marshall Law and this wasn't a crime situation, there was just something about seeing all these military people everywhere you looked. Even if he was just directing traffic, it was a little jarring and put one in mind of those things you see on TV during juntas.

        I doubt the people of Chicago would feel any different even in a best case scenario. I agree - bad idea.

        Meddle not in the affairs of dragons... for thou art crunchy and good with ketchup.

        by Pariah Dog on Thu Jul 10, 2014 at 07:09:08 AM PDT

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